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From Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr>
Subject Re: Maven 3.2.6
Date Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:36:54 GMT
I just tried to build Maven core 3.3.0-SNAPSHOT with itself and got a failure 
like MNG-5779 (which was at the moment supposed to be only during reporting)

Can others try and confirm, please?

Regards,

Hervé

Le mercredi 4 mars 2015 07:14:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
> At this point we might as well just chat in the dev hangout tomorrow. Today
> I'll focus on some more testing and documentation.
> On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de> wrote:
> > Hi Jason,
> > 
> > at the moment i have 09:00 o'clock pm ...(21:00 o'clock) CET...
> > 
> > I'm available ....
> > 
> > On 3/3/15 4:15 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >> Today in the afternoon here I can be around after 20h. Yesterday didn't
> >> work. Karl-Heinz what's your schedule looking like?>> 
> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr> wrote:
> >>> I should be there (after 20h, Paris time)
> >>> I'd like to improve docs on new features (like extensions model)
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> Hervé
> >>> 
> >>> Le dimanche 1 mars 2015 15:38:32 Jason van Zyl a écrit :
> >>>> We can just sync up in IRC and pop in a hangout if people are
> >>>> interested.
> >>>> I'll sift through JIRA in the morning. I'm in California so I'll try to
> >>>> get
> >>>> up a bit earlier so it's not the end of your day by the time we get
> >>>> around
> >>>> to meeting.
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise <khmarbaise@gmx.de> 
wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Jason,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> are those changes you made already public in branches? So it's
> >>>>> possible to
> >>>>> take a look into it...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> And a hangout tomorrow sounds great...I'm interested in...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>> Karl Heinz
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On 3/1/15 10:06 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I'm done rebasing and merging my changes into master here locally.
> >>>>>> But I
> >>>>>> still have a day or two of testing and a day of writing
> >>>>>> documentation.
> >>>>>> There are also a couple APIs I'm not super happy with so I might
> >>>>>> alter
> >>>>>> those slightly before the final release.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> So if anyone wants to jump in a hangout tomorrow to chat about other
> >>>>>> bits
> >>>>>> we want to try and do for 3.3.0 I'm game. I also need to go through
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> find all references to 3.2.6 and change them to 3.3.0. There are a
> >>>>>> few
> >>>>>> ITs that depend directly on 3.2.6-SNAPSHOT so all that needs to be
> >>>>>> looked at as well.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> So I think we're looking at a few more days if anyone wants to get in
> >>>>>> small fixes.>>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Great, thanks. I'm just working away on the work I'd like to get in.
> >>>>>>> So
> >>>>>>> tentatively hope to be done this weekend.>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:03 AM, Andreas Gudian
> >>>>>>> <andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
> >>> 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I'm done with my changes (documented in MNG-5776), and it seems to
> >>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>> no at least the java process is started with the right parameters
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> script variables leak out into the cmd console... ;-)
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> @Igor: thanks for checking up, I overlooked your second commit with
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> change of the VM-argument name.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 2015-02-26 18:07 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Andreas Gudian
> >>>>>>>>> <andreas.gudian@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I can handle that, but not before the weekend.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Jason, does that conflict with your schedule for the release?
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> No dire rush on my side and I have two feature branches to merge
> >>>>>>>>> anyway so
> >>>>>>>>> take your time. Happy to have the help.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we just say that we drop the support for old Windows
> >>>>>>>>>> versions
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0 and do the actual work that removes the support from the
> >>>>>>>>>> bat
> >>>>>>>>>> files
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> the next minor release?
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> I would imagine that no one out there cares for Windows 98/ME
> >>>>>>>>>> anyway
> >>>>>>>>>> ;-).
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag, 26. Februar 2015 schrieb Anders Hammar :
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Stephen Connolly <
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Anders Hammar
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <anders@hammar.net
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One thing we could do to make stuff easier around these .bat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drop support for this 4NT shell and Windows versions that are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> based
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT (i.e. Windows 9x / ME).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as Maven 3.2+ requires a minimum of JDK 1.6 there is no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> support anything that JDK 1.6 doesn't run on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If we are calling this 3.3.0 we can just say we have dropped
> >>>>>>>>>>>> win
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9x/Me
> >>>>>>>>>>>> support and the 4NT alternative command interpreter
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We should probably clearly state what we support in the
> >>>>>>>>>>> System
> >>>>>>>>>>> Requirements (both on-line and in distro).
> >>>>>>>>>>> And a JIRA ticket to go with this is good for the release notes.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any info about Oracle JDK 1.6, but Oracle JDK 1.7
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> requires a
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum of Windows Vista [1].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't find any info on openJDK's requirements.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> IBM J9 JDK 6 seems to require a minimum of Windows XP SP3 [2].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/config-417990.ht
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ml
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/#!/SSYKE2_6.0.0/com.
> >>>>>>>>> ibm.
> >>>>>>>>> java.doc.60_26/vm626/GenericWrapper/hardwareandsoftwarerequirement
> >>>>>>>>> s.ht
> >>>>>>>>> ml>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> /Anders
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 19:38 GMT+01:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome, thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2015, at 10:32 AM, Andreas Gudian <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> andreas.gudian@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm stuck with a windows box and I can give it a try...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .bat-scripting is not really a joy, but what's in the patch
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translatable.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-02-25 17:01 GMT+01:00 Igor Fedorenko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <igor@ifedorenko.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see actual diff to mvn shell script in [1], but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> changes
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically two-fold. First, find nearest parent directory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> contains
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .mvn/ subdirectory. This parent is considered "true"
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> multi-module
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project root (MNG-1958). Second, if .mvn/java.config file
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> present
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immediately under the true multimodule project root, use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> content
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java invocation parameters, i.e. similar to $MAVEN_OPTS
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> environment
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variable.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know enough about Windows scripting to make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn.bat and mvnDebug.bat batch files.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=maven.git;a=commit;h=
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8ed9a1caa8890773b45c6c408a4e40acf4f4b0fd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2015-02-25 9:56, Robert Patrick wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What exactly is the problem that Igor ran into that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limits
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Unix-only?  Knowing this would help people determine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> level
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort needed to solve the problem.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP, Oracle Corporation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7460 Warren Pkwy, Ste. 300      Office: +1.972.963.2872
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frisco, TX 75034, USA           Mobile: +1.469.556.9450
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg, and Philip Aston
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Josh Bregman and Paul Done
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:jason@takari.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>]
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:40 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Maven 3.2.6
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Arnaud Héritier <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> aheritier@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had a quick look at the changeling and I'm +1 for a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvements like the toolchain integration and few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> far
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the project and won't veto anything as I have no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MNG-5767
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrated without a windows support ? For me it is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Noone could help Igor on this ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if someone would help, but it is still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For projects that require this and document specific
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> requirements
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just work for non-Windows users. Say the project needs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8gb to
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly: in most cases no one reads the documentation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> run
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and it fails. Then they go read something and figure it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've at least made it work for some people. If there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> single
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer who uses Windows who can add the same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capabilities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find a contributor I don't think it should stop the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the people it can benefit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igor and I don't use Windows regularly, don't know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows,
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know Windows and none of our customers use Windows.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's overall a net improvement. For me it's a about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gradual
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I've asked on Twitter if there are any Windows users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many months/years ago the integration of colors in logs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected in a part because we wasn't confident in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> support
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that was the issue. The issue was us not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> able
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide on an underlying logging framework. I've seen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JANSI
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> working
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows for years.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My 2 cents.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Mark Derricutt <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mark@talios.com <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 Feb 2015, at 4:06, Karl Heinz Marbaise wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on the list of changes i would suggest to make a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.3.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.6....to make clear something is introduced....
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on 3.3.0 here. Bring on the changes!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Derricutt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theoryinpractice.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chaliceofblood.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://plus.google.com/+MarkDerricutt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/talios
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/mderricutt
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype :
> >>>>>>>>>>> aheritier
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> examples.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually developing a running system is doomed to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure. No
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the more general your framework will be.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Frameworks
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
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> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, "Impossible." The lamest of the lame excuses!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> maybe,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impractical, or too expensive, but rarely is anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossible.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Yvon Chouinard, Let my People Go Surfing
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----
> >>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my phone
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> the course of true love never did run smooth ...
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> -- Shakespeare
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> ---
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> >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -- Shakespeare
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Jason
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> We know what we are, but know not what we may be.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>  -- Shakespeare
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Jason
> >>>> 
> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> Jason van Zyl
> >>>> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
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> >>>> 
> >>>> Be not afraid of growing slowly, be only afraid of standing still.
> >>>> 
> >>>> -- Chinese Proverb
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> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> Jason
> >> 
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> Jason van Zyl
> >> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> >> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> 
> >> A master in the art of living draws no sharp distinction between his work
> >> and his play; his labor and his leisure; his mind and his body; his
> >> education and his recreation. He hardly knows which is which. He simply
> >> pursues his vision of excellence through whatever he is doing, and
> >> leaves others to determine whether he is working or playing. To himself,
> >> he always appears to be doing both.>> 
> >>   -- François-René de Chateaubriand
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> > Mit freundlichem Gruß
> > Karl-Heinz Marbaise
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> Thanks,
> 
> Jason
> 
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> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Takari and Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> 
> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
> and sit softly on your shoulder ...
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> -- Thoreau
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