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From Kristian Rosenvold <kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Plexus Archiver / Plexus Components
Date Tue, 09 Sep 2014 10:45:47 GMT
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you're saying, Benson.

When it comes to the actual committers in plexus, there's only one or
two names I haven't seen as frequent and active java community
members.  Herve lists "authors", which in the case of git includes all
contributors, even one-line doc changes.

Kristian


2014-09-09 12:21 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>:
> I'm trying to avoid having this drift into the full 'IP clearance' process
> which is used for 'significant' contributions, on the grounds that each
> individual's contribution isn't all that big. So I'm modeling this on a
> patch sent to the mailing list, which requires no CLA and no fancy tracking.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Kristian Rosenvold <
> kristian.rosenvold@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So we make some kind of letter we send out to everyone with a reply-to
>> dev@maven ? Should we make a wiki page where we try to collect a
>> little more information about the different people (like email
>> addresses - better obfuscate them ,somehow:)
>>
>> I would happily write one but I tend to mess up any time I approach
>> matters like this. So it would be smoother if someone else wrote the
>> initial draft :)
>>
>> Kristian
>>
>>
>> 2014-09-09 4:34 GMT+02:00 Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>:
>> > On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
>> >
>> >> You current CLA is sufficient. You'll the author of the code, you can
>> >> contribute it to Apache. We need to find the people on that list who do
>> not
>> >> have a CLA on file.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Your CLA is sufficient if you, yourself, commit it to an Apache repo.
>> Since
>> > we're planning to push a repo full of contributions from github to
>> apache,
>> > the CLA is not enough on its own. Everyone has to indicate their intent
>> to
>> > contribute this particular set of stuff. Under the AL, this happens if
>> you
>> > commit as a committer, or send a patch to a mailing list, or make a PR.
>> > Since none of those things are happening, I suggested that contributors
>> > send mail to the dev@ list saying, 'ok, I want to contribute my content
>> > from these plexus repos.'
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:32 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > here is the new version with csv files and committers deduplicate
>> >> > http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html
>> >> >
>> >> > now we need to ask for everybody's attribution of his contributions,
>> and
>> >> we'll
>> >> > see how much we cover from each component
>> >> >
>> >> > some components should be easy to cover fully, like plexus-cli
>> >> > some will be harder...
>> >> >
>> >> > to start, I'm ready to give ASF all my contributions: how should I
>> >> proceed?
>> >> > some formal e-mail on this ML?
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Hervé
>> >> >
>> >> > Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 23:22:39 Hervé BOUTEMY a écrit :
>> >> >> improved the automatic summary
>> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus/summary.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I suppose the next step will be to create a csv to be able to work
on
>> >> >> figures with a spreadsheet
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have no time at the moment, will try tomorrow if nobody beats
me
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hervé
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Le dimanche 7 septembre 2014 15:01:58 Benson Margulies a écrit
:
>> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Kristian Rosenvold <
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> kristian.rosenvold@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> But I still assume we need to get some kind of idea of
how good is
>> >> >>>> good enough. At some point there's going to be a significant
>> >> >>>> contributor we won't be able to get hold of. We might be
able to
>> work
>> >> >>>> around this by removing code or similar, but I don't think
there is
>> >> >>>> any point in starting a massive search for people if 100%
is the
>> only
>> >> >>>> permitted result.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Is there any way we could get some idea of what kind of
requirement
>> >> >>>> we'd be facing ? Can we acceptably simply delete contributions
from
>> >> >>>> people we can't get hold of (that may work in some cases)
?  We
>> >> >>>> usually operate on a "200 line" quota for requiring a CLA;
can we
>> >> >>>> disregard people with smaller contributions ? (And if so,
would
>> that
>> >> >>>> be *total* 200 lines or "per submission" ...?)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Yes, you can open a JIRA at LEGAL, and/or communicate with
the
>> board. I
>> >> >>> recommend completing the survey first. No one there likes to
answer
>> >> >>> hypothetical questions; having an actual set of facts will
grossly
>> >> improve
>> >> >>> the conversation.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Kristian
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 2014-09-07 1:01 GMT+02:00 Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
>> >> >>>>> Cool, with your tool can you aggregate that into a
single list of
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> userIds/Names and then remove us.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> I recognize most of the non-us and with that list we
can contact
>> them
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> all at once if we want.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Sep 6, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> here are more accurate statistics:
>> >> >>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~hboutemy/codehaus
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Le samedi 6 septembre 2014 09:39:20 Hervé BOUTEMY
a écrit :
>> >> >>>>>>> I satrted to write down the count of contributors
done by
>> github,
>> >> >>>>>>> with
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> link,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> on
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Plexus+dependencies
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I'm not sure figures are relevant:
>> >> >>>>>>> - missing contributions? it seems so, I looked
at
>> plexus-velocity
>> >> >>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> older
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> commits are not counted...
>> >> >>>>>>> - every contribution has to be taken into account?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> we'll probably need to do more manual work:
will need to
>> dispatch
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> components
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> to avoid one to do the work for everything
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> then we'll need to figure out the process details:
I read
>> >> >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html,
I suppose
>> >> I'll
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> have as
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Maven Chair some work to do (any help from
other members
>> >> >>>>>>> appreciated),
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> but I
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> still don't understand precisely
>> >> >>>>>>> i will need some explanations from people with
experience,
>> probably
>> >> >>>>>>> on
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> IRC
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> wil be more efficient
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Hervé
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 23:18:14 Hervé BOUTEMY
a écrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>> ok, so how do we do the next step?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Hervé
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Le jeudi 4 septembre 2014 06:49:02 Kristian
Rosenvold a écrit :
>> >> >>>>>>>>> I had a look through a few projects,
and it would seem to me
>> like
>> >> >>>>>>>>> "know" 90% of the committers because
they are all associated
>> with
>> >> >>>>>>>>> maven, most of them are also active.
There's a further 5 or so
>> >> >>>>>>>>> committers that are well known community
folks that we could
>> >> >>>>>>>>> probably
>> >> >>>>>>>>> get hold of easily. It would appear
to me this group is 95%
>> or so
>> >> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>> the commits. There's a handful of names
I am unsure if we'll
>> be
>> >> >>>>>>>>> able
>> >> >>>>>>>>> to locate, the contributions I've seen
from these names are
>> >> small.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> I think it all amounts to something
like this:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> For quite a few of the plexus repos
we have close to 100% of
>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>> committers as currently active maven
community members.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> For yet another bunch of projects we
have one or two
>> significant
>> >> >>>>>>>>> non-maven contributors that we may
be able to get hold of.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> For plexus-utils the list is a bit
longer, but there's a lot
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>> smaller contributions that'd normally
go below the CLA radar.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> I suppose we'd need to get some kind
of exact metric to
>> measure
>> >> by
>> >> >>>>>>>>> if
>> >> >>>>>>>>> we were to make an even more structured
attempt at evaluating
>> >> >>>>>>>>> compliance..?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Kristian
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 21:50 GMT+02:00 Jason van
Zyl <jason@takari.io>:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> For everything significant where
significant is defined as
>> more
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> than
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 200
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> lines. I don't think we have any
of those, and if we actually
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> expunged
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> from the source classes we don't
actually use we're
>> definitely
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> safe.>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Benson
Margulies
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> <bimargulies@gmail.com
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> If _everyone_ is present and
accounted for, I agree.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 3:01
PM, Jason van Zyl <
>> jason@takari.io
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I think everyone is
making this 10x more complicated
>> than
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our existing CLAs apply.
If you wrote the code, you can
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> For modello, plexus-utils,
and plexus-classworlds we're
>> >> covered
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> far
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> as I can tell.>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:44
PM, Kristian Rosenvold
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> <kristian.rosenvold@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To my best knowledge,
*all* of the substantial
>> contributors
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> all
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> plexus repositories
I have seen are available to us, most
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PMC's or emeritus,
and still "around" in some fashion or
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> another.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could we make all of
them submit some kind of written
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> submission
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF ? I would actually
think that would cover a decent
>> >> 95%
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> significant contributions,
and in quite a few (maybe even
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all...)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the repos it would
cover 100% ?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (I am assuming they'll
be willing to make such a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> submission...)
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kristian
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-09-03 19:07 GMT+02:00
Benson Margulies
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> <bimargulies@gmail.com>:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 3,
2014 at 3:02 AM, Karl Heinz Marbaise
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> <khmarbaise@gmx.de> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/14 11:18
PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gang, doesn't
the board of the ASF have very strong,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> negative,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feelings
about ASF PMC's controlling and maintaining
>> code
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outside
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASF?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any
evident about that ? any official statement
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from ASF Board
?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm working on
getting a pointer to a written policy.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/apache-software-foundation-
>> >
>> >> > >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> la
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> un
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ches-apache-extras/#!bO9wnv
describes a scheme to allow
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> who
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _not_ an Apache
PMC to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage Apache-related
projects. There is, I predict, a
>> fine
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> line
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between 'some people
who happen to be Maven PMC members'
>> and
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 'the
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven PMC', and
I'm trying to save us from getting
>> swatted
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing it.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I confess
that I found this whole topic extremely
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confusing,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what with
the googlecode 'Apache Extras' business. We
>> >> might
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> want
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask for
some clarification before we go here.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue,
Sep 2, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Karl Heinz Marbaise
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <khmarbaise@gmx.de>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
9/2/14 2:56 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I asked Github to give us github.com/maven for our
>> 3rd
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> party
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
code
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
but
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
someone is using it. Maybe Hervé can setup
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
github.com/apachemaven
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
and we
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
can
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
move those Git repositories there.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately
github.com/apachemaven is also occupied
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind
regards
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karl-Heinz
Marbaise
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sep 2, 2014, at 3:09 AM, Kristian Rosenvold
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<kristian.rosenvold@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We have started talking about moving them somewhere,
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
time
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
may
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
have come tom restart that discussion.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You can either ask Brian for access or have one of
>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
existing
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
committers apply your pull request. Just a regular
>> pull
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
request
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
from
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
github should do.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Kristian
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
2014-09-01 22:37 GMT+02:00 Karl Heinz Marbaise
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> <khmarbaise@gmx.de>:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i just want to know how we handle things which are
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
located
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
in
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
components
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
like plexus-archiver etc.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Currently i'm diving into some problems and want to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> checkin
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
some
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
improvments
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
on the plexus-archiver...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How can i gain commit access to those components ?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Kind regards
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Karl-Heinz Marbaise
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jason
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> A man enjoys his work when
he understands the whole and
>> when
>> >> he
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> is responsible for the
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Christopher Alexander,
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Jason
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> happiness is like a butterfly:
the more you chase it, the
>> more
>> >> it
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> will
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> elude you, but if you turn your
attention to other things, it
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> will
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> come
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder
...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
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>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Jason
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> >>>>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>> >> >>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >> >>>>> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> There's no sense in being precise when you don't even
know what
>> >> you're
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> talking about.
>> >> >>>>
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>> >>
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>> >> Founder,  Apache Maven
>> >> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> >> http://twitter.com/takari_io
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
>> >> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>> >>
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>> >>
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