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From Dominik Bartholdi <d...@fortysix.ch>
Subject Re: JIRA Cleanup
Date Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:53:50 GMT
+1 cleanup is a really good idea!

On 20.01.2014, at 18:50, Arnaud Héritier <aheritier@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 with a jira cleanup (but documented and announced to users to let them
> understand what we do and why)
> +1 to move to ASF
> 
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> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
> 
>> Works for me to just start over on the ASF JIRA. There are a couple issues
>> I'd move but we can migrate a issues easily. What can't continue is the
>> complete, incomprehensible mess that is there now.
>> 
>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 12:32 PM, Stephen Connolly <
>> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If we are going wholesale dumping issues (and I am not against that), I
>>> have a more radical suggestion... let's just move core to the ASF JIRA...
>>> with next to no issues needing migration it would be easy ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 January 2014 17:23, Jason van Zyl <jason@takari.io> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Really, it's more about dropping a nuclear bomb on JIRA. While trying to
>>>> sift through it this weekend it's clear to me it's less than ideal in
>> there.
>>>> 
>>>> There are issues that are 12 years old and while there might be some
>>>> useful information in there that we hand select, I think anything that
>> is
>>>> older than 5 years we should just close as incomplete because with the
>>>> great deal of change that's happened with 3.x most of it isn't relevant
>> and
>>>> if it is, and someone cares that much then it can be reopened with a
>>>> stand-alone working example of the problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, as to the requirements for a stand-alone working example I think we
>>>> should enforce this because personally I'm not going to check out
>> someone's
>>>> project, figure out how to interpret it in relation to the actual
>> problem
>>>> in Maven and then create a project I can turn into an IT. I'm just not
>>>> going to do it generally. There might be exceptions but I don't want to
>>>> read a textual examples or try to figure out snippets of a production
>>>> project that can't be shared. In m2e we require a working example
>> project
>>>> to even look at a problem and if the issue sits there for a year with a
>>>> working sample project we close it.
>>>> 
>>>> Having an issue tracking system with 700 open issues is useless, so I
>>>> would like to do a mass purge. It shouldn't really get beyond 50 open
>>>> issues or it's just impossible to manage effectively.
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure what anyone else thinks but our JIRA situation is just not
>>>> effective. I'm thinking anything over 5 years old that isn't assigned
>> to a
>>>> core developer we just close as incomplete and then see what we're left
>>>> with. If anyone complains then we point them at doco (I'll write it)
>> about
>>>> creating a stand-alone project because otherwise it become impossible. I
>>>> spent 8 hours over the weekend looking at issues trying to interpret
>> what
>>>> someone was trying to say and I don't want to guess. If the user cares
>>>> enough they can make an example project.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Jason
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Jason van Zyl
>>>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>>>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> happiness is like a butterfly: the more you chase it, the more it will
>>>> elude you, but if you turn your attention to other things, it will come
>>>> and sit softly on your shoulder ...
>>>> 
>>>> -- Thoreau
>>>> 
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>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> believe nothing, no matter where you read it,
>> or who has said it,
>> not even if i have said it,
>> unless it agrees with your own reason
>> and your own common sense.
>> 
>> -- Buddha
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> -----
> Arnaud Héritier
> http://aheritier.net
> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com
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