Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-maven-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-maven-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04B48FA0F for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 89777 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jul 2013 06:28:23 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-maven-dev-archive@maven.apache.org Received: (qmail 89681 invoked by uid 500); 17 Jul 2013 06:28:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@maven.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Maven Developers List" Reply-To: "Maven Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@maven.apache.org Received: (qmail 89661 invoked by uid 99); 17 Jul 2013 06:28:13 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:28:13 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of robert.patrick@oracle.com designates 141.146.126.69 as permitted sender) Received: from [141.146.126.69] (HELO aserp1040.oracle.com) (141.146.126.69) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:28:09 +0000 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r6H6RlCx009777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:27:48 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6H6RkQp002447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:27:47 GMT Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r6H6RkK7002432 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:27:46 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 23:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Patrick Sender: Robert Patrick To: Maven Developers List Subject: RE: Java version usage survey References: <1bd62375-8a5a-43a8-956e-cfb2fed09c05@default> In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 14.0.6131.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Oracle recently changed its approach to version numbers for the JDK in whic= h minor version numbers get skipped, depending on the type of update. Pret= ty sure there weren't 10 new JDK 5 releases. -- Robert Patrick VP, FMW Architects Team: The A-Team=09 Oracle Corporation=09=09=09Office: +1.940.725.0011 1148 Triple Crown Court=09=09=09Fax: +1.940.725.0012 Bartonville, TX 76226, USA=09=09Mobile: +1.469.556.9450 Professional Oracle WebLogic Server by Robert Patrick, Gregory Nyberg, and Philip Aston with Josh Bregman and Paul Done Book Home Page: http://www.wrox.com/ Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Kristian Rosenvold [mailto:kristian.rosenvold@zenior.no]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:37 AM To: Maven Developers List Subject: Re: Java version usage survey I tucked away the last public debs of 1.5 and can release 1.5 indefinitely= . In the release of the last security patch, it seems like Oracle have rel= eased approx 10 nonpublic jdk 5 versions. Shame we can't have it. Kristian Den 16. juli 2013 14:14 skrev "Lennart J=F6relid" f=F8lgende: > I rum mainly on OSX for client and some Linuxes for server - so client=20 > side is >=3D JDK 1.6 > > // v=E4nlig h=E4lsning, > // [sw: "best regards"], > // > // Lennart J=F6relid > > 16 jul 2013 kl. 13:53 skrev Olivier Lamy : > > > perso osx. So only >=3D 1.6 > > > > > > 2013/7/16 Stephen Connolly : > >> Speaking as a Maven Developer... > >> > >> My primary development machine is OS-X. > >> > >> On that machine I have 1.6.0_24-b07-334, 1.7.0_17, 1.7.0_21, and > 1.7.0_25 > >> > >> I have a personal linode running 1.6.0_22, and my famous Acer=20 > >> Aspire One that has some Java 1.5 and 1.6 versions on it... but I=20 > >> have not turned > it > >> on more than twice since March 2011... most likely I will wipe it=20 > >> and reinstall some more recent linux on it which will remove the=20 > >> older JDK versions leaving it with likely a 1.6 and a 1.7. > >> > >> I also have a windows box sitting beside me... powered off (the Sun > Ultra > >> T-20's are noisy don't you know) I only turn it on when I *need*=20 > >> windows and a virtual machine will not suffice (i.e. firmware=20 > >> updates on Samsung Galaxy S... which is now only used as a game=20 > >> console by my son) That has Java 1.4-1.7 on it but it is far from=20 > >> current in terms of AV and > patches, > >> so not something I would turn on for a quick test of a release. > >> > >> Effectively the lowest I can test releases is Java 1.6. > >> > >> It would be interesting to hear what the rest of the committers=20 > >> have as their testing capability. If very few committers have=20 > >> access to Java 1.5 across operating systems then I think the answer=20 > >> is clear... namely we would not be in a position to stand over a=20 > >> release that claims to work > on > >> Java 1.5, and hence moving to Java 1.6 as a baseline would seem a=20 > >> good > idea. > >> > >> Tools like animal-sniffer are great to help developers who cannot=20 > >> set up the older JVMs on their development environment... but in my=20 > >> experience they are no substitute for running on the older JVM. > >> > >> If our test capability is basically the Windows/Java 1.5 slave and=20 > >> the *nix/Java 1.5 slave on the Apache Jenkins build server *and* we=20 > >> cannot > keep > >> that integration test suite passing *then* Java 1.5 is dead for=20 > >> Maven > IMHO > >> > >> -Stephen > >> > >> > >> On 16 July 2013 11:58, Robert Patrick > wrote: > >> > >>> Oracle Java 5 and 6 are EOLed but Oracle continues to support=20 > >>> customers using commercial products that require them that=20 > >>> themselves are not > EOLed. > >>> Given that current versions of Maven support Java 5 and 6, the=20 > >>> real question is how important is it for older applications that=20 > >>> cannot > support > >>> Java 7 to be able to use future versions of Maven? > >>> > >>> As far as I know, there is nothing from preventing Maven=20 > >>> developers > from > >>> using the existing versions of JDK 5/6 to build and test Maven. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Robert Patrick VP, FMW Architects=20 > >>> Team: The A-Team > >>> Oracle Corporation Office: +1.940.725.0011 > >>> 1148 Triple Crown Court Fax: +1.940.725.0012 > >>> Bartonville, TX 76226, USA Mobile: +1.469.556.9450 > >>> > >>> Professional Oracle WebLogic Server by Robert Patrick, Gregory=20 > >>> Nyberg, and Philip Aston with Josh Bregman and Paul Done Book Home=20 > >>> Page: http://www.wrox.com/ Kindle Version: http://www.amazon.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Stephen Connolly [mailto:stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:47 AM > >>> To: Maven Developers List > >>> Subject: Re: Java version usage survey > >>> > >>> I've put a question on Stack Overflow: > >>> > >>> > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17671899/when-is-java-6-end-of-life > -in-the-context-of-writing-developer-toolsto > >>> see if we can get something that is a bit more focus on facts. > >>> > >>> e.g. we are all OSS developers: thus premium/extended/sustaining > support > >>> contracts are outside our budget. If we cannot test it for free,=20 > >>> we > cannot > >>> support it. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 16 July 2013 09:01, Fred Cooke wrote: > >>> > >>>> My 2c: > >>>> > >>>> - J7 on Mac is unstable (trust me...) and non-performant, and thus= I > >>>> require my users to use Apple's J6 on the Mac. > >>>> - On Linux there are lots of Swing bugs in all versions, but a=20 > >>>> lot > >>> less > >>>> in J7 than J6, so I recommend J7 for Linux guys. > >>>> - I don't use J5 for anything at all and none of my code can=20 > >>>> run on > it > >>>> due to basics that are missing there. > >>>> > >>>> I didn't distinguish vendors because the comments apply across=20 > >>>> all of them anyway. > >>>> Fred. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Chris Graham=20 > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Arnaud. > >>>>> > >>>>> You need to at least add an OTHER (ie non oracle) entry as well.=20 > >>>>> You you can track Oracle java 6 and Non-Oracle java 6. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Chris > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Arnaud H=E9ritier=20 > >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Good point. I updated the survey to tell it is the Oracle JDK=20 > >>>>>> EOL Survey : > >>>> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8Jhusu > >>>> gPmGW4/viewform > >>>>>> Replies : > >>>> > https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8Jhusu > >>>> gPmGW4/viewanalytics > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Chris Graham=20 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Arnaud H=E9ritier < > >>>> aheritier@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Java 6 EOL was in feb and Maven and its plugins are always > >>>>> compatible > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Oracle Java 6 was EOL'd. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> IBM Java 6 was, and is not due to be for a few more years.=20 > >>>>>>> They even > >>>>>>> *extended* 1.5's life for a year. Sept this year, I think. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Chris > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ----- > >>>>>> Arnaud H=E9ritier > >>>>>> http://aheritier.net > >>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype :=20 > >>>>>> aheritier > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> --- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org For=20 > >>> additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org > > > > > > > > -- > > Olivier Lamy > > Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au > > http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org For=20 > > additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org For=20 > additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org