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From Lennart Jörelid <lennart.jore...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Java version usage survey
Date Tue, 16 Jul 2013 12:13:57 GMT
I rum mainly on OSX for client and some Linuxes for server - so client side is >= JDK 1.6

// vänlig hälsning,
// [sw: "best regards"],
//
// Lennart Jörelid

16 jul 2013 kl. 13:53 skrev Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org>:

> perso osx. So only >= 1.6
> 
> 
> 2013/7/16 Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com>:
>> Speaking as a Maven Developer...
>> 
>> My primary development machine is OS-X.
>> 
>> On that machine I have 1.6.0_24-b07-334, 1.7.0_17, 1.7.0_21, and 1.7.0_25
>> 
>> I have a personal linode running 1.6.0_22, and my famous Acer Aspire One
>> that has some Java 1.5 and 1.6 versions on it... but I have not turned it
>> on more than twice since March 2011... most likely I will wipe it and
>> reinstall some more recent linux on it which will remove the older JDK
>> versions leaving it with likely a 1.6 and a 1.7.
>> 
>> I also have a windows box sitting beside me... powered off (the Sun Ultra
>> T-20's are noisy don't you know) I only turn it on when I *need* windows
>> and a virtual machine will not suffice (i.e. firmware updates on Samsung
>> Galaxy S... which is now only used as a game console by my son) That has
>> Java 1.4-1.7 on it but it is far from current in terms of AV and patches,
>> so not something I would turn on for a quick test of a release.
>> 
>> Effectively the lowest I can test releases is Java 1.6.
>> 
>> It would be interesting to hear what the rest of the committers have as
>> their testing capability. If very few committers have access to Java 1.5
>> across operating systems then I think the answer is clear... namely we
>> would not be in a position to stand over a release that claims to work on
>> Java 1.5, and hence moving to Java 1.6 as a baseline would seem a good idea.
>> 
>> Tools like animal-sniffer are great to help developers who cannot set up
>> the older JVMs on their development environment... but in my experience
>> they are no substitute for running on the older JVM.
>> 
>> If our test capability is basically the Windows/Java 1.5 slave and the
>> *nix/Java 1.5 slave on the Apache Jenkins build server *and* we cannot keep
>> that integration test suite passing *then* Java 1.5 is dead for Maven IMHO
>> 
>> -Stephen
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 July 2013 11:58, Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Oracle Java 5 and 6 are EOLed but Oracle continues to support customers
>>> using commercial products that require them that themselves are not EOLed.
>>> Given that current versions of Maven support Java 5 and 6, the real
>>> question is how important is it for older applications that cannot support
>>> Java 7 to be able to use future versions of Maven?
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, there is nothing from preventing Maven developers from
>>> using the existing versions of JDK 5/6 to build and test Maven.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Robert Patrick <robert.patrick@oracle.com>
>>> VP, FMW Architects Team: The A-Team
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephen Connolly [mailto:stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:47 AM
>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>> Subject: Re: Java version usage survey
>>> 
>>> I've put a question on Stack Overflow:
>>> 
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17671899/when-is-java-6-end-of-life-in-the-context-of-writing-developer-toolsto
>>> see if we can get something that is a bit more focus on facts.
>>> 
>>> e.g. we are all OSS developers: thus premium/extended/sustaining support
>>> contracts are outside our budget. If we cannot test it for free, we cannot
>>> support it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16 July 2013 09:01, Fred Cooke <fred.cooke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My 2c:
>>>> 
>>>>   - J7 on Mac is unstable (trust me...) and non-performant, and thus I
>>>>   require my users to use Apple's J6 on the Mac.
>>>>   - On Linux there are lots of Swing bugs in all versions, but a lot
>>> less
>>>>   in J7 than J6, so I recommend J7 for Linux guys.
>>>>   - I don't use J5 for anything at all and none of my code can run on it
>>>>   due to basics that are missing there.
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't distinguish vendors because the comments apply across all of
>>>> them anyway.
>>>> Fred.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Chris Graham <chrisgwarp@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Arnaud.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You need to at least add an OTHER (ie non oracle) entry as well. You
>>>>> you can track Oracle java 6 and Non-Oracle java 6.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Arnaud Héritier
>>>>> <aheritier@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good point. I updated the survey to tell it is the Oracle JDK EOL
>>>>>> Survey :
>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8Jhusu
>>>> gPmGW4/viewform
>>>>>> Replies :
>>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Jqxq2KgSricwS7YV7pmWvHA8m7_TE7c8Jhusu
>>>> gPmGW4/viewanalytics
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Chris Graham
>>>>>> <chrisgwarp@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Arnaud Héritier <
>>>> aheritier@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Java 6 EOL was in feb and Maven and its plugins are always
>>>>> compatible
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oracle Java 6 was EOL'd.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IBM Java 6 was, and is not due to be for a few more years. They
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> *extended* 1.5's life for a year. Sept this year, I think.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier
>>>>>> http://aheritier.net
>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com Twitter/Skype : aheritier
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