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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: svn commit: r1505129 - in /maven/plugins/trunk/maven-install-plugin: LICENSE NOTICE
Date Sun, 21 Jul 2013 12:47:49 GMT
On 21 July 2013 13:30, Robert Scholte <rfscholte@apache.org> wrote:
> "Also, the files change relatively rarely once set up."
>
> I thought you strongly believed in Murphy's Law...

Not sure how that is relevant.

>
> I agree with Dennis: let's ask for the *facts* why these files are required
> here.

Robert already quoted this earlier in the thread:
>From http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#source-tree-location

If you think that's wrong, it needs to be take up with Infra.

> If it is because they need to be included in the source-release file,
> then add them additionally instead of maintaining them per project.

No, they need to be included in SCM as well.

Since the SCM tree is basically what becomes the source archive, the
same files will do for both.
It's trivial to include the files in the source assembly descriptor so
they become part of the source archive.

>
> Op Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:17:12 +0200 schreef sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>:
>
>> On 21 July 2013 13:09, Dennis Lundberg <dennisl@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Has anyone asked if we can use generated files instead?
>>>
>>> Many of the ASF rules are written by people that have not concidered the
>>> fact that things such as these can be automated. Therefore many of these
>>> rules are stated in a way that does not fit directly into the Maven way
>>> of
>>> doing things.
>>
>>
>> And some things are not readily automateable - AFAIK there is no
>> accuratate data from which to automate this.
>> How do you track code imports with copyright statements? There are
>> several different ways to treat these.
>> Also, different licenses have different attribution requirements, and
>> for ones that do require attribution it has to be determined from the
>> license, which does not have a fixed format.
>>
>> Also, the files change relatively rarely once set up.
>> Addition of 3rd party source or binaries to the archives is the main
>> reason to change the N&L files.
>>
>>> We do include these files in "every Apache distribution" we make. It's
>>> just
>>> that we do not store them in SCM.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dennis Lundberg
>>> Den 21 jul 2013 11:13 skrev "Robert Scholte" <rfscholte@apache.org>:
>>>
>>>> From http://www.apache.org/dev/**licensing-howto.html#source-**
>>>>
>>>> tree-location<http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#source-tree-location>
>>>>
>>>> "Location Within the Source Tree
>>>>
>>>> LICENSE and NOTICE belong at the top level of the source tree. They may
>>>> be
>>>> named LICENSE.txt and NOTICE.txt, but the bare names are preferred."
>>>>
>>>> If you consider a release root as the top level of the source tree, then
>>>> they need to be placed here.
>>>> And yes, I'm aware that they are already bundled with the binairy, but
>>>> these lines are quite clear where these files are expected.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> Op Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:57:28 +0200 schreef Olivier Lamy
>>>> <olamy@apache.org
>>>> >:
>>>>
>>>>  why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it mandatory? If yes I'd like to have some links.
>>>>> AFAIK those files are generated.
>>>>> This mean we will have to add those files for all artifacts we produce.
>>>>> If one day the content change we will have to change all files in the
>>>>> scm instead of only the plugin which generate that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/7/20  <rfscholte@apache.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Author: rfscholte
>>>>>> Date: Sat Jul 20 12:58:34 2013
>>>>>> New Revision: 1505129
>>>>>>
>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1505129
>>>>>> Log:
>>>>>> Add LICENSE and NOTICE files
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Added:
>>>>>>     maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE
>>>>>>     maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/NOTICE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Added: maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE
>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**
>>>>>>
>>>>>> install-plugin/LICENSE?rev=**1505129&view=auto<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/plugins/trunk/maven-install-plugin/LICENSE?rev=1505129&view=auto>
>>>>>> ==============================**==============================**
>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>> --- maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE (added)
>>>>>> +++ maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE Sat Jul 20
>>>>>> 12:58:34 2013
>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,202 @@
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>>>>>> Added: maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/NOTICE
>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**
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>>>>>> install-plugin/NOTICE?rev=**1505129&view=auto<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/plugins/trunk/maven-install-plugin/NOTICE?rev=1505129&view=auto>
>>>>>> ==============================**==============================**
>>>>>> ==================
>>>>>> --- maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/NOTICE (added)
>>>>>> +++ maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/NOTICE Sat Jul 20
>>>>>> 12:58:34 2013
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