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From Olivier Lamy <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache 3.1.0-alpha-1
Date Wed, 29 May 2013 08:17:28 GMT
2013/5/29 Stephen Connolly <>:
> On 29 May 2013 06:49, jieryn <> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Hervé BOUTEMY <>
>> wrote:
>> > I'd like to work on Arnaud's idea of error message enhancement in case a
>> > plugin fails because of unavailable Sonatype Aether: if you can let me
>> 12 more
>> > hours from now, I'll do it tonight
>> Version numbers are cheap. Can't we just make an alpha-2?
>> I'm just a user, but I'm getting pretty sick of staged alpha releases
>> being dropped.
>> This happened with 3.0.5 as well. Just release it already. They are
>> alphas. Christ.
> Well for the NOTICE.txt issue, we cannot actually make a release for legal
> reasons without
> being
> part of the release.
> The question is whether it is better to have the first 3.1.0 alpha release
> be called 3.1.0-alpha-4 or 3.1.0-alpha-1
> When people come back and look at the git history, they will see the
> commits with "[maven-release] Prepare 3.1.0-alpha-1" through to
> "[maven-release] Prepare 3.1.0-alpha-4" but only see the tag for
> maven-3.1.0-alpha-4 and they might incorrectly assume that somebody just
> forgot to push the tag (similarly they could undelete the SVN tag, so this
> is not a GIT thing) and then you could end up with a situation where the
> ASF is sued for making a release of Maven without attributing the Eclipse
> foundation correctly...
> Yes, I know that specific example is unlikely, but the point is that there
> is potential for that type of thing... and we have the mailing lists as a
> record, etc.
> Jenkins 1.453's borked partial release was enough to convince me that
> dropping the staging repo and respining with the same version number is
> probably the lesser evil.... though that might be because I had to go and
> do some workarounds for some automated analysis and other fancy shit I was
> doing.
> I guess my point is that 3 months later I had to go digging and it took
> quite some time to find out that Jenkins 1.453 was actually a failed
> partial release and while there were artifacts for jenkins-core published,
> there were none for jenkins-war.
> Prior to 1.453 I would have been agreeing with KK's assertion that the ASF
> version reuse was just madness.
> But having said all that, if we can find a good way to flag versions as not
> released (e.g. a release history page or something) I am not against
> skipping version numbers. Might confuse people though if that meant that
> the first release of Maven 3.1.0 was 3.1.4 (i.e. if we had not been doing
> alpha's)

it's just consuming a tag for "nothing" and not having an official
Apache release for this tag (not publishing sources or binaries)
Where is the issue ? some projects like httpd or tomcat do that.

>> -Jesse
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