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Subject: Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:04:14 +0100
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For the eclipse plugin, I think that just moving it to retired isn't a =
good think because even if we are agree that this one is now really =
difficult to maintain, this is always the preferred integration way with =
eclipse in many corporate environments.
Thus we cannot just say to our community that we just stop to maintain =
it.
We have to propose something else.
m2eclipse or Q4E are the best choices for now but they don't cover all =
what eclipse:eclipse can do and they have always some =
performances/stabilities issues with large projects.
Everybody can fork eclipse:eclipse plugin (and many teams already did =
it) but I think we should provide a solution for them to try to share =
their changes.

How will we communicate around these changes ?


On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:

> I started moving any of the ones discussed here:
>=20
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/retired/
>=20
> If anyone disagrees we can move them back but I think the ones suggest =
so far are good candidates.
>=20
> On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>=20
>> Following up from a discussion on the user list. I think it's time to =
be realistic about providing a healthy level of support for plugins =
here. I think it makes more sense to reduce the foot print of plugins we =
say we support and do those well as opposed to housing many plugin that =
just don't get much love. I would ask people to think about the plugins =
we're housing that we shouldn't. Probably a thread per plugin would be =
fine for discussion.=20
>>=20
>> To that end the plugins I'll send the first thread.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>> Jason
>>=20
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder,  Apache Maven
>> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
>> ---------------------------------------------------------
>>=20
>> Our achievements speak for themselves. What we have to keep track
>> of are our failures, discouragements and doubts. We tend to forget
>> the past difficulties, the many false starts, and the painful
>> groping. We see our past achievements as the end result of a
>> clean forward thrust, and our present difficulties as
>> signs of decline and decay.
>>=20
>> -- Eric Hoffer, Reflections on the Human Condition
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Jason
>=20
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder,  Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>=20
> In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
> and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
>=20
>  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society
>=20
>=20
>=20


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