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From Daniel Takabayashi <daniel.takabaya...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Marvin’s mission discussion
Date Sat, 15 Aug 2020 19:02:30 GMT
+1

Em sáb., 15 de ago. de 2020 às 08:57, Lucas Bonatto Miguel <
lucasbm88@apache.org> escreveu:

> It's good, the only thing I would change would be to mention what sort of
> applications. Although we have AI in the name, one may mistakenly think
> Marvin is intended to serve any type of application.
>
> Best
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:37 AM Lucas Cardoso Silva <
> cardosolucas61.lcs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > Here comes the summarized Marvin mission:
> >
> > The Apache Marvin-AI platform aims to offer a practical and standardized
> > solution to help its users to perform data exploration, model development
> > and application lifecycle management, aiming to offer: scalability,
> > language agnosticism and a standardized pipeline.
> >
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Lucas Cardoso
> >
> > Em qua., 29 de jul. de 2020 às 17:05, Lucas Cardoso Silva <
> > cardosolucas61.lcs@gmail.com> escreveu:
> >
> > > Hi guys!
> > > Great Lucas, I will wait a couple of days to see if anyone has other
> > > things to add, and then we can close this phase!
> > >
> > > Wei, we can discuss how to make the data pipelines easier to the users
> in
> > > another step of the evaluation. With the experience of the users and
> > > developers with this topic we can track their needs better and make
> > > use-case scenarios. I agree with you that data preparation is messy and
> > can
> > > take a lot of time and will be great if Marvin could help in that.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Lucas
> > >
> > >
> > > Em qua., 29 de jul. de 2020 às 11:59, Wei Chen <weichen@apache.org>
> > > escreveu:
> > >
> > >> Hello Lucas,
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of processing JSON or XML files with a hierarchy dynamic
> > >> structure.
> > >> Or building a pipeline to crop image with object detection metadata.
> > >> Data preparation can be very messy,
> > >> I wonder if we can have a stage to handle both batch and streaming
> > >> processing well.
> > >>
> > >> I simply think we don't need to focus on this part since we can
> utilize
> > a
> > >> wide variety of tools for our specific needs.
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards,
> > >> Wei
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:48 PM Lucas Bonatto Miguel <
> > >> lucasbm88@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi folks,
> > >> >
> > >> > In regards to the mission, you're correct. If I could summarize it,
> it
> > >> > would be like: *to help its users to perform data exploration, model
> > >> > development and application lifecycle management*.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm all in for having a better integration with Kubernetes. I think
> > that
> > >> > the first step is to create a new thread in order to design
> something
> > >> > following their operator pattern:
> > >> > https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/extend-kubernetes/operator/
> > >> >
> > >> > Wei, currently one already can perform merges and joins in the
> > >> > transformation step. Could you comment a bit more on what you think
> we
> > >> > could improve there? Maybe something for a new thread as well?
> > >> >
> > >> > Best!
> > >> > Lucas
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:24 AM Wei Chen <weichen@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > I think deploying to K8S does expend our capabilities for
> inference
> > >> > scaling
> > >> > > and managing.
> > >> > > I am not familiar with Luigi, but it makes sense since we are
> going
> > to
> > >> > > setup data pipelines.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Best Regards,
> > >> > > Wei
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:32 AM Lucas Cardoso Silva <
> > >> > > cardosolucas61.lcs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Great Wei! I find the suggestions really interesting. I
think we
> > can
> > >> > work
> > >> > > > with the deployment on K8s. The idea of it in Marvin would
be,
> > after
> > >> > > > development, the user would give some parameters and a script
> > would
> > >> > > > facilitate a deployment in a kubernetes cluster, right?
> Regarding
> > >> data
> > >> > > > acquisition, I think it would be great if we were able to
> > integrate
> > >> > some
> > >> > > > third party library like Luigi. Thanks!
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Em qua., 22 de jul. de 2020 às 14:27, Wei Chen <
> > weichen@apache.org>
> > >> > > > escreveu:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hello Lucas,
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I have some ideas:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 1. Should we consider to use K8S or similar tools for
> inference
> > >> > > container
> > >> > > > > scaling and management?
> > >> > > > > Marvin's current container management is not as powerful
as
> some
> > >> > > > container
> > >> > > > > focus projects.
> > >> > > > > K8S can also be deployed into most environments now.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 2. Is our current data cleaning stage flexible enough
for
> > multiple
> > >> > data
> > >> > > > > sources with table join?
> > >> > > > > Or if we should cut the data preparation stage out
for the
> user
> > to
> > >> > make
> > >> > > > > their own data pipeline on their data storage.
> > >> > > > > I figured that preprocessing might be too complex to
be
> > >> generalized
> > >> > for
> > >> > > > > different ML projects.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Best Regards
> > >> > > > > Wei
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 12:26 AM Lucas Cardoso Silva
<
> > >> > > > > cardosolucas61.lcs@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Hi guys.
> > >> > > > > > I would like to know if anyone else has any ideas
about this
> > >> > > evaluation
> > >> > > > > > phase. Both the opinion of those who have been
in the
> > community
> > >> > for a
> > >> > > > > long
> > >> > > > > > time and those who are still getting to know Marvin
is now
> > >> > important
> > >> > > > for
> > >> > > > > > this step, so your suggestion or validation of
the initial
> > text
> > >> is
> > >> > > > always
> > >> > > > > > welcome!
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Best regards,
> > >> > > > > > Lucas Cardoso
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Em sex., 10 de jul. de 2020 às 13:48, Lucas Cardoso
Silva <
> > >> > > > > > cardosolucas61.lcs@gmail.com> escreveu:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Hello guys. The time has come for us to take
the first
> step
> > in
> > >> > > > > > > architectural assessment: the definition
of the mission.
> > >> > Basically
> > >> > > we
> > >> > > > > > have
> > >> > > > > > > to decide here what is important in Marvin
and what is
> > outside
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > scope
> > >> > > > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > the project. This is important because, during
this
> analysis
> > >> and
> > >> > > the
> > >> > > > > > > development process as a whole, we will be
able to segment
> > >> what
> > >> > is
> > >> > > > > really
> > >> > > > > > > important and make things more simple and
functional.
> Also,
> > >> if it
> > >> > > > looks
> > >> > > > > > > cool, we can include that on the Marvin-AI
homepage.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > As stated earlier, I will post an initial
draft and would
> > >> like to
> > >> > > > > receive
> > >> > > > > > > your feedback to complete a few points:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > The Apache Marvin-AI platform aims to offer:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    -
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    a practical and standardized solution,
> > >> > > > > > >    -
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    for the development and deployment of
machine learning
> > >> > > > applications.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Aiming to offer the user:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    -
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    scalability,
> > >> > > > > > >    -
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    language agnosticism,
> > >> > > > > > >    -
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    standardized pipeline (DASFE),
> > >> > > > > > >    -
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >    possibility of remote versioning of artifacts.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for more
important
> > features,
> > >> > > > resources
> > >> > > > > > or
> > >> > > > > > > design decisions in Marvin?
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Thank you very much,
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Lucas Cardoso
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

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