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From: Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 05:36:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: I would like to put together an MCF 2.7 release candidate by the
 end of the week
To: Rafa Haro <rharo@apache.org>
Cc: dev <dev@manifoldcf.apache.org>
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Yes, I agree.
I put some effort into trying to get ManifoldCF to work with log4j 2.x, and
was partly successful, but logs still are going to stdout so obviously I'm
not done yet.  It's too destabilizing; this will have to wait until 2.8.

Karl


On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 5:12 AM, Rafa Haro <rharo@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Karl,
>
> I honestly have just downloaded the new connector from the student GitHub=
,
> I have not checked anything else, so that's the main source of the
> problems. I know he has been testing it so far by packaging it in a singl=
e
> jar and including it into manifold classpath
>
> I would suggest to then not include it in this release and leave me
> sometime to properly test and fix it
>
> Wdyt?
>
> El El s=C3=A1b, 15 abr 2017 a las 7:45, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
> escribi=C3=B3:
>
>> FWIW, the reason for the job crawl failure is due to the version mismatc=
h
>> for log4j, so we'll need to figure out what to do about that:
>>
>> >>>>>>
>> org.nuxeo.client.internals.spi.NuxeoClientException:
>> org/apache/logging/log4j/Lo
>> gManager
>>         at org.nuxeo.client.api.objects.NuxeoEntity.getCall(
>> NuxeoEntity.java:223
>> )
>>         at org.nuxeo.client.api.objects.NuxeoEntity.getResponse(
>> NuxeoEntity.java
>> :120)
>>         at org.nuxeo.client.api.objects.Repository.query(Repository.
>> java:142)
>>         at org.apache.manifoldcf.crawler.connectors.nuxeo.
>> NuxeoRepositoryConnect
>> or.getDocsByDate(NuxeoRepositoryConnector.java:484)
>>         at org.apache.manifoldcf.crawler.connectors.nuxeo.
>> NuxeoRepositoryConnect
>> or.addSeedDocuments(NuxeoRepositoryConnector.java:409)
>>         at org.apache.manifoldcf.crawler.system.StartupThread.run(
>> StartupThread.
>> java:154)
>> Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
>>         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>>         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(
>> NativeMethodAccessorImpl.
>> java:62)
>>         at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.
>> invoke(DelegatingMethodAcces
>> sorImpl.java:43)
>>         at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:483)
>>         at org.nuxeo.client.api.objects.NuxeoEntity.getCall(
>> NuxeoEntity.java:217
>> )
>>         ... 5 more
>> Caused by: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/logging/log4j/
>> LogManager
>>         at org.nuxeo.client.api.marshaller.NuxeoResponseConverterFactory=
.
>> <clinit
>> >(NuxeoResponseConverterFactory.java:56)
>>         at org.nuxeo.client.api.marshaller.NuxeoConverterFactory.
>> responseBodyCon
>> verter(NuxeoConverterFactory.java:74)
>>         at retrofit2.Retrofit.nextResponseBodyConverter(
>> Retrofit.java:325)
>>         at retrofit2.Retrofit.responseBodyConverter(Retrofit.java:308)
>>         at retrofit2.ServiceMethod$Builder.createResponseConverter(
>> ServiceMethod
>> .java:679)
>>         at retrofit2.ServiceMethod$Builder.build(ServiceMethod.java:166)
>>         at retrofit2.Retrofit.loadServiceMethod(Retrofit.java:166)
>>         at retrofit2.Retrofit$1.invoke(Retrofit.java:145)
>>         at com.sun.proxy.$Proxy2.query(Unknown Source)
>>         ... 10 more
>> Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.apache.logging.log4j.
>> LogManager
>>
>>         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:372)
>>         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:361)
>>         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>>         at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:360)
>>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)
>>         at java.net.FactoryURLClassLoader.loadClass(URLClassLoader.java:
>> 798)
>>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)
>>         ... 19 more
>> Exception:
>>   status: 666
>>   type: Error
>>   exception: org/apache/logging/log4j/LogManager
>>   throwable: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
>> <<<<<<
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, when I run it using made-up host names, the job dies with the
>>> following:
>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> Error: Repeated service interruptions during startup: Could not
>>> initialize class org.nuxeo.client.api.marshaller.
>>> NuxeoResponseConverterFactory
>>> <<<<<<
>>>
>>> This is against client version 2.5, not version 2.5-SNAPSHOT, which I
>>> cannot get.
>>>
>>> I would say that the connector is not yet ready to ship, both because o=
f
>>> the dependency issues and because of the execution problems.  As far as=
 the
>>> code itself is concerned, I think it needs work in the area of exceptio=
n
>>> handling; it treats all errors as being service interruptions, which is
>>> really not going to cut it.
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 8:49 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>>
>> There were a lot of problems with the code -- everything from missing
>>>> Apache headers to broken HTML to broken password management.  I've fix=
ed
>>>> what I could find.  It would be great if someone could try this connec=
tor
>>>> out enough to confirm that it's working.
>>>>
>>>> It's also a bit disconcerting that you always get back "connection
>>>> working".  Is there any way to check the connection?
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Ok, I've added everything needed.  There is a version difference that I
>>>>> don't want to tackle though right now: the nuxeo client depends on lo=
g4j
>>>>> 2.4, and everything else depends on log4j 1.2.  I'm hoping this isn't=
 going
>>>>> to cause things to blow up, but I suppose I'll find out soon enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Also, for what it's worth, these are the dependencies from the
>>>>>> nuxeo-java-client.jar:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> [INFO] \- org.nuxeo.client:nuxeo-java-client:jar:2.5:compile
>>>>>> [INFO]    +- com.squareup.retrofit2:retrofit:jar:2.0.2:compile
>>>>>> [INFO]    +- com.squareup.okhttp3:okhttp:jar:3.0.0-RC1:compile
>>>>>> [INFO]    |  \- com.squareup.okio:okio:jar:1.6.0:compile
>>>>>> [INFO]    +- org.apache.logging.log4j:log4j-api:jar:2.4.1:compile
>>>>>> [INFO]    \- org.apache.logging.log4j:log4j-core:jar:2.4.1:compile
>>>>>> <<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The com.squareup dependencies will need to be added to the ant build
>>>>>> too.  I'll take care of that later tonight.  Luckily they all seem A=
pache
>>>>>> 2.0 licensed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> The 2.6 snapshot is blank.  There is no available 2.5-snapshot
>>>>>>> anywhere I can find.  I have to conclude it's not available except =
when
>>>>>>> built privately?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess we can release the connector with the 2.5 jar?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like there isn't a 2.5 snapshot; there's just a 2.6
>>>>>>>> snapshot, uploaded yesterday.  Should we use that instead?
>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Rafa,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't seem to download the client jar:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       [get] Getting: http://maven.nuxeo.com/nexus/
>>>>>>>>> content/repositories/public-snapshots/org/nuxeo/client/
>>>>>>>>> nuxeo-java-client/2.5-SNAPSHOT/nuxeo-java-client-2.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>>       [get] To: C:\wip\mcf\CONNECTORS-1290-2\
>>>>>>>>> lib\nuxeo-java-client-2.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       [get] Error opening connection java.io.FileNotFoundException=
:
>>>>>>>>> http://maven.nuxeo.com/nexus/content/repositories/public-
>>>>>>>>> snapshots/org/nuxeo/client/nuxeo-java-client/2.5-
>>>>>>>>> SNAPSHOT/nuxeo-java-client-2.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>>       [get] Error opening connection
>>>>>>>>> java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://maven.nuxeo.com/nexus/
>>>>>>>>> content/repositories/public-snapshots/org/nuxeo/client/
>>>>>>>>> nuxeo-java-client/2.5-SNAPSHOT/nuxeo-java-client-2.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>>       [get] Error opening connection
>>>>>>>>> java.io.FileNotFoundException: http://maven.nuxeo.com/nexus/
>>>>>>>>> content/repositories/public-snapshots/org/nuxeo/client/
>>>>>>>>> nuxeo-java-client/2.5-SNAPSHOT/nuxeo-java-client-2.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       [get] Can't get http://maven.nuxeo.com/nexus/
>>>>>>>>> content/repositories/public-snapshots/org/nuxeo/client/
>>>>>>>>> nuxeo-java-client/2.5-SNAPSHOT/nuxeo-java-client-2.5-SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>> to C:\wip\mcf\CONNECTORS-1290-2\lib\nuxeo-java-client-2.5-
>>>>>>>>> SNAPSHOT.jar
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok, I see it is coming out of a special nuxeo-owned repository.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll need to construct a download for that in the main build.xml=
.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Rafa Haro <rharo@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Built successfully.  Initially only nuxeo-java-client library
>>>>>>>>>>> dependency is
>>>>>>>>>>> needed. I have included it and I already checked the
>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility some
>>>>>>>>>>> time ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:37 PM Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.co=
m>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > Are there new dependencies downloaded into lib?  If so, what
>>>>>>>>>>> are they?  How
>>>>>>>>>>> > are they licensed?  Have you run "mvn dependencies:tree" to
>>>>>>>>>>> make sure all
>>>>>>>>>>> > the child dependencies are also included?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> > Karl
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Rafa Haro <rharo@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > No problem. Sorry for the delay. In some minutes I will
>>>>>>>>>>> inform about the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > build result
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 11:29 PM Karl Wright <
>>>>>>>>>>> daddywri@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Thanks; I'll check out the ant build.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Karl
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Rafa Haro <
>>>>>>>>>>> rharo@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > I have updated CONNECTORS-1290-2 branch with the new
>>>>>>>>>>> Nuxeo Connector
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > code.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Running mvn clean package now.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > Build.xml is updated but I have not tested it
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:06 PM Piergiorgio Lucidi <
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > piergiorgio@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> I'm sorry but I didn't find enough time for working on
>>>>>>>>>>> this new
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > connector
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> so we should postpone it to the 2.8 version.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> I have to confess that probably I should port the
>>>>>>>>>>> initial
>>>>>>>>>>> > > implementation
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> a new branch based on 2.7 because I see a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> improvements and
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > changes.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Anyway during the next weeks I could have the
>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to test
>>>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > new
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> CMIS Output connector on a big repository for a
>>>>>>>>>>> customer.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> I'll keep you updated on this.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> PJ
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> 2017-04-14 12:32 GMT+02:00 Rafa Haro <rharo@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > Ok Karl,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > I finally couldn't contact David so I will commit it
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> > rebased
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> branch
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > today. I will change the build.xml file myself but
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not going
>>>>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > be
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> able
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > to test it at least today.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > I will let you know. I'm out now, but I expect to
>>>>>>>>>>> reach home and
>>>>>>>>>>> > do
>>>>>>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> in a
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > couple of hours
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > El El vie, 14 abr 2017 a las 8:21, Karl Wright <
>>>>>>>>>>> > daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > escribi=C3=B3:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > Hi Rafa,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > I'd like to create the 2.7 release branch today, i=
f
>>>>>>>>>>> possible,
>>>>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>>>>> > > I
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> will
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > wait until Sunday if the Nuxeo connector is
>>>>>>>>>>> expected to be
>>>>>>>>>>> > > committed
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > branch by then.  I really can't wait after Sunday,
>>>>>>>>>>> though,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > because I
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> will
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > be unavailable for the last week of April, even fo=
r
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> > tasks.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > If the code is done, but build.xml just needs to b=
e
>>>>>>>>>>> updated to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > pull
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > in
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > its
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > dependencies, then I'm happy to do that work,
>>>>>>>>>>> provided the Nuxeo
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> client
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > is
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > properly licensed and is available from the Maven
>>>>>>>>>>> repository.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Please
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> let
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > me know.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > Karl
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Karl Wright <
>>>>>>>>>>> > daddywri@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> Is this still looking plausible?
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> Karl
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:40 AM, Rafa Haro <
>>>>>>>>>>> rharo@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> Hi Karl,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> Nuxeo connector should be ready by then. I will
>>>>>>>>>>> meet with
>>>>>>>>>>> > David
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > (the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> student) today or tomorrow and will try to commi=
t
>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> Rafa
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 9:46 AM Piergiorgio
>>>>>>>>>>> Lucidi <
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> piergiorgio@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Hi Karl,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > thank you for this message.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > I had some problems for working on the new CMI=
S
>>>>>>>>>>> Output
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > connector,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> I
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> hope to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > finish it this week.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Otherwise we have to put it on the next releas=
e.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > PJ
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > 2017-04-10 9:02 GMT+02:00 Karl Wright <
>>>>>>>>>>> daddywri@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > I would like to put together a ManifoldCF 2.=
7
>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > candidate
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> by
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > beginning of next week.  However, there are =
a
>>>>>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>>>>>> > open
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > tickets.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Some
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > of them appear to be near complete, such as
>>>>>>>>>>> the Nuxeo
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > connector;
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > seem to be forgotten for the moment.  But we
>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>> > finish
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> things
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > Could everyone have a look at their tickets
>>>>>>>>>>> and decide
>>>>>>>>>>> > what
>>>>>>>>>>> > > to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> do
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > them?  Thanks!!
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > > Karl
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > --
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Piergiorgio Lucidi
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Technology Evangelist @ Sourcesense
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Author and Technical Reviewer @ Packt Publishi=
ng
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Mentor / PMC Member / Committer @ Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> Software Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Wiki Gardener / Forum Moderator / Certified
>>>>>>>>>>> Instructor,
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> and
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Administrator @ Alfresco
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Top Community Contributor @ Crafter
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Project Leader / Committer @ JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > Technology Advisory Team Member @ Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> > http://www.open4dev.com
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> > >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> --
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Piergiorgio Lucidi
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Technology Evangelist @ Sourcesense
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Author and Technical Reviewer @ Packt Publishing
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Mentor / PMC Member / Committer @ Apache Software
>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Wiki Gardener / Forum Moderator / Certified Instructor=
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>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Administrator @ Alfresco
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Top Community Contributor @ Crafter
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Project Leader / Committer @ JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> Technology Advisory Team Member @ Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >> http://www.open4dev.com
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