Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-mahout-user-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-mahout-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E7AAD73F for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 23:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 83558 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2012 23:59:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-mahout-user-archive@mahout.apache.org Received: (qmail 83505 invoked by uid 500); 5 Sep 2012 23:59:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@mahout.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: user@mahout.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list user@mahout.apache.org Received: (qmail 83497 invoked by uid 99); 5 Sep 2012 23:59:39 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:59:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FSL_RCVD_USER,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dlieu.7@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.42 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.42] (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f42.google.com) (209.85.215.42) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:59:33 +0000 Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so1551701lah.1 for ; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ng981ultFmFhfiJR/yn1IxxLj1EfJxjGowd8XLUrzXk=; b=NT7M78dke+6ntlC2nZVPTSIJFAnr+/4LItQWZLuHUlEoIEKBJ0lkuMLYi3xDDJQ3pa L+Qt9yDbKeGZ7t4I3JCnpRqjoH+SmHsl4llXoOHT2f3aBvbwpWDRPUa0LKQoznH0TBix GoNIBBll0wuWsALOZ0hqQURa0bBAdFiKJNz753fmxIHR9gq2v1hHOmRMrNrzfyxQwxic Ww7L2Iq5aGvAVaeL3xXJfORrPIlrRsPSpDfDqH8o+5kfi11Itt7L+0kAVXHBSskNjthX kZtSljFjpnX9SfFPSwH81UmJih/vFIXiX0oPjr30+ze81HymAT3CzZB7TB7zpaDI+xUj DF+A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.162.10 with SMTP id xw10mr211861lab.12.1346889552044; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.86.42 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:59:12 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PCA doc question for devs: From: Dmitriy Lyubimov To: user@mahout.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Yes i have an option to output U * Sigma^0.5 already. But strictly speaking the way PCA space is defined would require just U*Sigma output. Or it is not worth it? On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > Yes. (A-M)V is U \Sigma. You may actually want something like U \sqrt > \Sigma instead, though. > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have a question w.r.t what to advise people in the SSVD manual for PCA. >> >> So we have >> >> (A-M) \approx U \Sigma V^t >> >> and strictly speaking since svd is reduced rank, we need to re-project >> original data points as >> >> Y= (A-M)V >> >> However we can assume (A-M)V \approx U \Sigma, can't we? I.e. instead of >> recomputing tough job of (A-M)V we can just advise to use U\Sigma or just U >> in some cases, can't we? >> >> Thanks. >> -d >>