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From Darren Govoni <dar...@ontrenet.com>
Subject Re: Commercializing Mahout: the Myrrix recommender platform
Date Wed, 04 Apr 2012 22:43:58 GMT
The short answer is that they have to "open" their source. So anything
they do to the original code is readily available to all.

On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 17:43 -0400, Dan Beaulieu wrote:
> I've always wondered how businesses who provide their own solutions using
> OSS decide when to contribute code back to the project.
> For instance, suppose a bug is logged, and the business already has a fix
> in their fork. Do they provide a patch?
> What about a feature request? What if the deliverables for the feature
> includes secret sauce from the business.
> 
> Maybe this isn't really a common occurrence, or not how the OSS business
> model works, but figured it's a good as time as any to ask I figure.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > With this announcement, this group has a fork in the road facing us.
> >
> > We can choose the Hadoop path of forcibly excluding anybody with a slightly
> > wrong commercial taint from discussions (I call this the "more GNU than
> > GNU" philosophy).
> >
> > Or we can choose a real community based approach that includes vendors
> > regardless of how they use the code that we freely give away via the Apache
> > Mahout project (I call this "the Apache way").
> >
> > As you may guess from the way that I phrase these options, I would prefer
> > the second approach.
> >
> > As such, I like it if we could resolve as a group that we very much welcome
> > what Sean is doing as an augmentation rather than diminution of the major
> > role that he has played in Mahout so far.  More than that, I would like to
> > go on record saying that I, at least, am happy to have all kinds of
> > participation in Mahout.
> >
> > Is this the consensus here?  I think it is important to bring this subject
> > up early and get a definitive consensus rather than let it drift.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Sean Owen <srowen@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all -- I've long promised (threatened?) to begin efforts to
> > > commercialize Apache Mahout. Given my line of work in VC, I see
> > > evidence for positive symbiosis between open source and commercial
> > > enterprise. We have evidence from the growth in user base and mailing
> > > list, as well as the Mahout in Action book, that this is becoming
> > > another successful Apache project. It's time to start bringing more of
> > > Mahout to the commercial world, and in turn bring those benefits back
> > > into the open-source project.
> > >
> > > To that endm I've been working on a heavily product-ized, somewhat
> > > evolved, version of the recommender engine code available in Mahout.
> > > After about six months of work, it's ready to announce. Please meet a
> > > new startup company and software product, Myrrix (http://myrrix.com).
> > >
> > > Well, at least, it's ready for pre-launch of part of the product. The
> > > announcement (http://myrrix.com/myrrix-pre-launches/ ) tells part of
> > > the story, and the design doc (http://myrrix.com/design/ ) tells more,
> > > but I'll summarize key points here:
> > >
> > > - Aims to add packaging, documentation and support, to product-ize
> > > - Reuses Mahout APIs, some code, and certainly presented as a
> > > "Mahout-based" platform
> > > - Two-tier architecture: serving (or "speed") layer acting in
> > > real-time, coordinating with distributed Hadoop-based computation
> > > layer. Best of both worlds.
> > > - Leans heavily on a variant of the alternating least squares algorithm
> > > - Serving layer is free/open source and is a complete solution for
> > > small-to-medium recommender problems
> > > - Full distributed architecture, including hosted offering, is the
> > > commercialized (read: for-pay) part
> > >
> > > I would welcome community support in telling me what you like and
> > > don't like about this. All the better if anyone is in a position to
> > > actually run and test the Serving Layer: http://myrrix.com/download/
> > >
> > > I intend this to bring more profile, attention, and work to the Mahout
> > > project, rather than subtract from it. I hope to see more
> > > Mahout-related commercializations, beyond the inclusions in
> > > distributions we're already seeing, in 2012, as it's key to the
> > > long-term project health. It's most certainly going to be the year of
> > > the application layer (analytics, machine learning) for Big Data.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > > Sean
> > >
> >



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