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Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 09:22:48 -0800
Thread-Topic: [lucy-dev] Graduation checklist
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Subject: Re: [lucy-dev] Graduation checklist

Hi Peter,

On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Peter Karman wrote:

> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote on 2/7/12 9:05 AM:
>=20
>>=20
>> Before VOTE'ing it might be nice to do the following:
>=20
> Thanks, Chris.
>=20
> The steps and chronology you've suggested make sense to me. They seem sli=
ghtly
> different, though, than what is here:
>=20
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
>=20
> That page seems to suggest these steps in this order:
>=20
> * community graduation VOTE
> * create charter/resolution
> * IPMC VOTE
>=20
> I want to do things the Apache Way; I'm just confused as to what that Way=
 is,
> when it comes to this graduation process. I see the words 'resolution',
> 'charter' and 'proposal' all at the URL above. 'Resolution' and 'charter'=
 seem
> to refer to the same thing. The community VOTE (step 1) refers to a 'prop=
osal'
> which I assumed meant 'I propose we graduate' -- but maybe 'proposal' ref=
ers to
> something else?
>=20
> Can you clarify?

No problem. That's because the Apache Way isn't a strict set of mathematica=
l
rules and so forth; it's something that's subject to human interpretation.

The upshot is:

- at some point we'll have to create the resolution. In every community I'v=
e graduated
so far (Tika, Nutch, OODT, Gora), we threw the resolution up as part of the=
 VOTE=20
discussion so that folks knew exactly what they were VOTE'ing on. The end p=
roduct
of this community is to:
   - present the resolution to the IPMC, ask them to agree with it
   - have the IPMC present the resolution to the board and have them agree =
with it

If both of those steps happen, in that order, we'll have ourselves a new TL=
P. If=20
they (or the preceding steps) don't happen in precisely the same order, or=
=20
precisely the same way, that's probably OK too, long as the end result is=20
the same.

Net: check out the resolution I sent, make sure that:
  - the description of Lucy buried in there (near "open source software for=
") makes sense.
  - we all agree on who the VP is -- who would like to be the VP? Marvin; o=
r you? Would=20
you guys like to hold a separate VOTE for that, or can you two come to cons=
ensus=20
between the 2 of you on list? I personally would support either candidate.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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