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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: [lucy-dev] Graduation checklist
Date Tue, 07 Feb 2012 17:22:48 GMT
Hi Peter,

On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:05 AM, Peter Karman wrote:

> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote on 2/7/12 9:05 AM:
>> Before VOTE'ing it might be nice to do the following:
> Thanks, Chris.
> The steps and chronology you've suggested make sense to me. They seem slightly
> different, though, than what is here:
> That page seems to suggest these steps in this order:
> * community graduation VOTE
> * create charter/resolution
> I want to do things the Apache Way; I'm just confused as to what that Way is,
> when it comes to this graduation process. I see the words 'resolution',
> 'charter' and 'proposal' all at the URL above. 'Resolution' and 'charter' seem
> to refer to the same thing. The community VOTE (step 1) refers to a 'proposal'
> which I assumed meant 'I propose we graduate' -- but maybe 'proposal' refers to
> something else?
> Can you clarify?

No problem. That's because the Apache Way isn't a strict set of mathematical
rules and so forth; it's something that's subject to human interpretation.

The upshot is:

- at some point we'll have to create the resolution. In every community I've graduated
so far (Tika, Nutch, OODT, Gora), we threw the resolution up as part of the VOTE 
discussion so that folks knew exactly what they were VOTE'ing on. The end product
of this community is to:
   - present the resolution to the IPMC, ask them to agree with it
   - have the IPMC present the resolution to the board and have them agree with it

If both of those steps happen, in that order, we'll have ourselves a new TLP. If 
they (or the preceding steps) don't happen in precisely the same order, or 
precisely the same way, that's probably OK too, long as the end result is 
the same.

Net: check out the resolution I sent, make sure that:
  - the description of Lucy buried in there (near "open source software for") makes sense.
  - we all agree on who the VP is -- who would like to be the VP? Marvin; or you? Would 
you guys like to hold a separate VOTE for that, or can you two come to consensus 
between the 2 of you on list? I personally would support either candidate.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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