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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: [lucy-dev] RFC: Grant all ASF Committers Lucy SVN karma
Date Fri, 02 Dec 2011 00:46:57 GMT
+1, let's do it.


P.S. Super +1! *grin*

On Dec 1, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> Outstanding Marvin!
>> ________________________________
>> From: Marvin Humphrey <>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:28 PM
>> Subject: [lucy-dev] RFC: Grant all ASF Committers Lucy SVN karma
>> Greets,
>> I'd like to propose that the Lucy podling consider nuking our Subversion authz
>> entry, allowing anyone who is a Committer at the ASF to commit to the Lucy
>> corner of the ASF repository.
>> There are two primary rationales for making this change.  First, we make life
>> easier for Infra -- especially if other projects follow our lead.  Second, we
>> lower the barrier to entry for other ASF committers to contribute to Lucy.
>> Of course we would still have a soft rule in place that significant changes
>> must be run through lucy-dev first, but we would trust other committers to
>> follow this rule rather than enforce it through access control as we do today.
>> Security is not a problem.  For this to work, we have to monitor our commits
>> list closely -- but any project that doesn't monitor its commits list closely
>> doesn't deserve to live at the ASF in the first place.  The bare minimum
>> effort is just to watch the sender address for looking for unfamiliar apache
>> ids.  Anything that we catch and don't like, we can just revert.
>> Provenance tracking is not a problem either -- anybody who has ASF commit
>> privileges has an iCLA on file.  
>> Various people throughout the ASF are on record supporting the liberalization
>> of repository permissions, including Board member Roy Fielding and Lucy
>> Mentors Joe Schaefer and Chris Mattmann.  Roy recently wrote to
>> general@incubator urging that the all Incubator committers be given commit
>> access to all podlings:
>>     I *suggest* that incubator change the procedure such that all committers
>>     (or at least all committers within a single LDAP group) have access to all
>>     incubator areas and that new people simply be requested to only commit
>>     within areas for which they have been given permission by the podling
>>     developers. 
>> Joe and I believe that we should go one step further and grant access to the
>> entire ASF committer community.  Neither Joe, nor I, nor Gavin MacDonald
>> foresee serious problems.  There may be Incubator-specific bookkeeping issues
>> that arise, as discussed in the followups to Roy's post, but those shouldn't
>> block us on principle.
>> From what Joe tells me, other ASF communities have discussed making such a
>> change, but we would be the first to actually go through with it.
>> If we have general consensus, I will call a VOTE proposing that we liberalize
>> our authz to the maximum extent possible within the practical constraints of
>> the Incubator.
>> Marvin Humphrey

Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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