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From Nathan Kurz <>
Subject Re: [lucy-dev] [DISCUSS] Graduation (was Re: [lucy-dev] All dependency licensing issues resolved)
Date Wed, 02 Nov 2011 01:39:10 GMT
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Chris Hostetter <> wrote:
> Mattman is like Lucy's mom: "Now that you've finished high school, you
> should think about getting a part time job, so you can move into your own
> apartment while you go to college at night, so you can save up money to
> start a family when you meet a nice guy to settle down with."

I love your analogy, but it conveniently forgets the five years that
Lucy dropped out of school, ran away from home,  lived under an
assumed name, and pretended to be a consenting adult.  Lucy is glad to
be back in a warm, loving home instead of  busking on the streets and
shacking up with long-haired men of dubious musical talent
(, but she views her time back
as just as much for her parents' benefit as for hers.  If they want to
persist in their squabbling, and if they really want to rent her
bedroom to some stranger for some pittance of a rent, she reminds them
that she's perfectly able to take care of herself and that Creamy G
promised he'd always be "froopy" for her.

Is he the kind of "nice guy" you were picturing?  Do you really want
to drive her back to that?    :)


> This type of encouragement is good -- it's healthy to remind the project
> that it shouldn't hide out in the basement as a podling forever.
> we're all entitled to our opinions about the status of the project --
> you're certainly free to play the part of the Uncle who thinks Lucy hasn't
> made enough of herself yet and needs to date more before she's ready to
> move out into the big city on her own -- but ultimately it's up to the
> community (the whole community) to decide when it is "ready" to vote
> for it's own graduation, and it's up to the IPMC to vote to approve that
> graduation and propose it to the board as a resolution, and it's up to the
> board to accept that proposal and create a new PMC.
> Everyone is free to voice their opinions during these discussions, and
> cast their votes however they see fit -- but ultimatley if you care enough
> about Lucy to subscribe to these mailing lists, and participate in this
> discussions, then it seems like there probably a lot more productive ways
> to contribute then getting into a pissing match over wether Lucy is ready
> for graduation.
> if you think there aren't enough contributors, then contribute.  if you
> think there aren't enough committers, then nominate someone.  if you think
> the overall activity level is too low to be self sustaining, then
> encourage more people to get involved. etc....
> (For the record: I consider myself Lucy's slightly senile grandfather.  a
> dirty old man with a weak hip who doesn't spend much time with Lucy on a
> regular basis, and frequently spouts non-sense, but occaionally spouts
> inspiring wisdon in between attempts to get Lucy to "pull my finger".)
> -Hoss

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