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From Matt Hilt <>
Subject Re: Slow forwarding requests to collection leader
Date Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:08:32 GMT
Thanks for the info Daniel. I will go forth and make a better client.

On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:28 AM, Daniel Collins <> wrote:

> I kind of think this might be "working as designed", but I'll be happy to
> be corrected by others :)
> We had a similar issue which we discovered by accident, we had 2 or 3
> collections spread across some machines, and we accidentally tried to send
> an indexing request to a node in teh cloud that didn't have a replica of
> collection1 (but it had other collections). We saw an instant jump in
> indexing latency to 5s, which given the previous latencies had been ~20ms
> was rather obvious!
> Querying seems to be fine with this kind of forwarding approach, but
> indexing would logically require ZK information (to find the right shard
> for the destination collection and the leader of that shard), so I'm
> wondering if a node in the cloud that has a replica of collection1 has that
> information cached, whereas a node in the (same) cloud that only has a
> collection2 replica only has collection2 information cached, and has to go
> to ZK for every "forwarding" request.
> I haven't checked the code recently, but that seems plausible to me. Would
> you really want all your collection2 nodes to be running ZK watches for all
> collection1 updates as well as their own collection2 watches, that would
> clog them up processing updates that in all honestly, they shouldn't have
> to deal with. Every node in the cloud would have to have a watch on
> everything else which if you have a lot of independent collections would be
> an unnecessary burden on each of them.
> If you use SolrJ as a client, that would route to a correct node in the
> cloud (which is what we ended up using through JNI which was
> "interesting"), but if you are using HTTP to index, that's something your
> application has to take care of.
> On 28 October 2014 19:29, Matt Hilt <> wrote:
>> I have three equal machines each running solr cloud (4.8). I have multiple
>> collections that are replicated but not sharded. I also have document
>> generation processes running on these nodes which involves querying the
>> collection ~5 times per document generated.
>> Node 1 has a replica of collection A and is running document generation
>> code that pushes to the HTTP /update/json hander.
>> Node 2 is the leader of collection A.
>> Node 3 does not have a replica of node A, but is running document
>> generation code for collection A.
>> The issue I see is that node 1 can push documents into Solr 3-5 times
>> faster than node 3 when they both talk to the solr instance on their
>> localhost. If either of them talk directly to the solr instance on node 2,
>> the performance is excellent (on par with node 1). To me it seems that the
>> only difference in these cases is the query/put request forwarding. Does
>> this involve some slow zookeeper communication that should be avoided? Any
>> other insights?
>> Thanks

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