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From Mark Miller <markrmil...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: difference between apache tomcat vs Jetty
Date Fri, 25 Oct 2013 23:45:51 GMT
Things have actually improved quite a bit in that area. There have been many optimizations
and additional ways to create large data structures off heap added in recent releases.

Someday G1 might even help a bit.

- Mark

On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:20 PM, Tim Vaillancourt <tim@elementspace.com> wrote:

> I (jokingly) propose we take it a step further and drop Java :)! I'm getting tired of
trying to scale GC'ing JVMs!
> 
> Tim
> 
> On 25/10/13 09:02 AM, Mark Miller wrote:
>> Just to add to the “use jetty for Solr” argument - Solr 5.0 will no longer consider
itself a webapp and will consider the fact that Jetty is a used an implementation detail.
>> 
>> We won’t necessarily make it impossible to use a different container, but the project
won’t condone it or support it and may do some things that assume Jetty. Solr is taking
over this layer in 5.0.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Cassandra Targett<casstargett@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>> In terms of adding or fixing documentation, the "Installing Solr" page
>>> (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/solr/Installing+Solr)
>>> includes a yellow box that says:
>>> 
>>> "Solr ships with a working Jetty server, with optimized settings for
>>> Solr, inside the example directory. It is recommended that you use the
>>> provided Jetty server for optimal performance. If you absolutely must
>>> use a different servlet container then continue to the next section on
>>> how to install Solr."
>>> 
>>> So, it's stated, but maybe not in a way that makes it clear to most
>>> users. And maybe it needs to be repeated in another section.
>>> Suggestions?
>>> 
>>> I did find this page,
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/solr/Running+Solr+on+Jetty,
>>> which pretty much contradicts the previous text. I'll fix that now.
>>> 
>>> Other recommendations for where doc could be more clear are welcome.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Tim Vaillancourt<tim@elementspace.com>
 wrote:
>>>> Hmm, thats an interesting move. I'm on the fence on that one but it surely
>>>> simplifies some things. Good info, thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 24 October 2013 16:46, Anshum Gupta<anshum@anshumgupta.net>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thought you may want to have a look at this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-4792
>>>>> 
>>>>> P.S: There are no timelines for 5.0 for now, but it's the future
>>>>> nevertheless.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Tim Vaillancourt<tim@elementspace.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I agree with Jonathan (and Shawn on the Jetty explanation), I think
the
>>>>>> docs should make this a bit more clear - I notice many people choosing
>>>>>> Tomcat and then learning these details after, possibly regretting
it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd be glad to modify the docs but I want to be careful how it is
worded.
>>>>>> Is it fair to go as far as saying Jetty is 100% THE "recommended"
>>>>> container
>>>>>> for Solr, or should a recommendation be avoided, and maybe just a
list of
>>>>>> pros/cons?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anshum Gupta
>>>>> http://www.anshumgupta.net
>>>>> 


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