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From Robert Muir <rcm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Questions about SEN patch submissions
Date Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:18:23 GMT
I think this entire thread is welcome/best-served on the dev list, because
you are talking about submitting a patch to change the internals of lucene.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Mark Bennett <mbennett@ideaeng.com> wrote:

> Thanks Robert,
>
> At what point would this whole subject be better served on the dev list?
> I've been a bit confused about that in the past (on the similar named Solr
> lists)
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbennett@ideaeng.com
> Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > If he agrees, maybe you can bring this up on the java-dev list?
> > I think other lucene developers could assist to make sure we do the
> proper
> > procedures with minimal hassle.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Mark Bennett <mbennett@ideaeng.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I have emailed one of the authors.  I have also asked about the other
> > > authors and the other packages you mentioned.
> > >
> > > What is the procedure for him, assuming he agrees?  Does he have to
> sign
> > > physical paper, or can this be done electronically?
> > >
> > > Also, I suspect he doesn't reside in the US, I don't know what
> > > ramifications
> > > it has.  I'm trying to minimize the "hassle" factor for him.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbennett@ideaeng.com
> > > Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > if he is ok with it i think we need to setup a software grant, etc
> > > >
> > > > in my opinion though, this would be a great thing feature to have in
> > > > lucene.
> > > > (we have similar support for chinese now, but no japanese)
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Mark Bennett <mbennett@ideaeng.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'll ask the author.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. / mbennett@ideaeng.com
> > > > > Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think apache 2.0 would be easiest. But I think BSD also works.
> > > > > > Its a little strange Sen is LGPL when the underlying
> dictionaries,
> > > > > chasen,
> > > > > > mecab (what it was ported from), all BSD/bsd-like.
> > > > > > or they are multi-licensed with BSD being one of them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also agree and hear you about how the glue code is broken,
but
> in
> > > my
> > > > > > opinion if the sen + glue code could be imported into lucene
> > > > > > under one package, it would be easiest to maintain. this way
it
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > become broken again.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Mark Bennett <
> mbennett@ideaeng.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Robert,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you for helping sort through this, and for the Wiki
link.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A few thoughts here:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1: I think the author will change the license if I ask,
he's
> been
> > > > very
> > > > > > > supportive (though seems to be working on other things
these
> > days).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    If you ran the Universe, which specific license would
you
> like
> > > to
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > SEN converted to?
> > > > > > >    To me the BSD license is the nicest, as I perceive it
as
> > having
> > > > the
> > > > > > > fewest restrictions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2: It's the glue layer that is currently broken (and under
the
> > > > correct
> > > > > > > license).
> > > > > > >    The revised code needs a good home.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >    Although I'd like to eventually get core SEN in here,
it is
> > not
> > > > > > > currently broken.
> > > > > > >    The unmodified ZIP can bed downloaded as-is and used
(albeit
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > > > couple manual steps)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    I guess an analogy:
> > > > > > >    I might want to use an open source JDBC driver to access
a
> > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > database.
> > > > > > >    But the commercial database itself is not open source.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3: The source dictionaries are under yet another license,
BUT
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > > > downloaded by build.xml
> > > > > > >    and not shipped with either ZIP file.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm surprised that GPL and LGPL are incompatible with these
the
> > > > Lucene
> > > > > > > projects.  Is there any discussion between the two camps
to
> > address
> > > > > this?
> > > > > > > Seems like we're all "on the same side".  Open Source License
> > > > > > > Incompatibility Issues, hm...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Mark Bennett / New Idea Engineering, Inc. /
> mbennett@ideaeng.com
> > > > > > > Direct: 408-733-0387 / Main: 866-IDEA-ENG / Cell: 408-829-6513
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mark, I think my concern is that Sen itself is LGPL
(
> > > > > > > > https://sen.dev.java.net/).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > this lucene-ja is just a lucene interface to this
LGPL
> library.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think this dependency might be a problem, but I
am not the
> > > > expert:
> > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-a
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Mark Bennett <
> > > mbennett@ideaeng.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello Robert,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Robert Muir
<
> > rcmuir@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mark, has there been any change to the LGPL
dependency?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Mark Bennett
<
> > > > > mbennett@ideaeng.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The only code I'm modifying at the moment is
the lucene-ja
> > > > section,
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > the integration between core SEN and Lucene.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is a sample at the top of one of the lucene-ja
files.
> > >  Would
> > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > > to be changed?  If so, believe the author would.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /**
> > > > > > > > >  * Copyright 2004 The Apache Software Foundation
> > > > > > > > >  *
> > > > > > > > >  * Licensed under the Apache License, Version
2.0 (the
> > > > "License");
> > > > > > > > >  * you may not use this file except in compliance
with the
> > > > License.
> > > > > > > > >  * You may obtain a copy of the License at
> > > > > > > > >  *
> > > > > > > > >  *     http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
> > > > > > > > >  *
> > > > > > > > >  * Unless required by applicable law or agreed
to in
> writing,
> > > > > > software
> > > > > > > > >  * distributed under the License is distributed
on an "AS
> IS"
> > > > > BASIS,
> > > > > > > > >  * WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND,
either
> > express
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > implied.
> > > > > > > > >  * See the License for the specific language
governing
> > > > permissions
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >  * limitations under the License.
> > > > > > > > >  */
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The SEN library is LGPL, though I can't find
file I got
> that
> > > from
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > moment.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Robert Muir
> > > > > > > > rcmuir@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Robert Muir
> > > > > > rcmuir@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Robert Muir
> > > > rcmuir@gmail.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Robert Muir
> > rcmuir@gmail.com
> >
>



-- 
Robert Muir
rcmuir@gmail.com

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