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From KK <dioxide.softw...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: How to support stemming and case folding for english content mixed with non-english content?
Date Fri, 05 Jun 2009 07:19:45 GMT
Hi Robert,
This is what I copied from ThaiAnalyzer @ lucene contrib

public class ThaiAnalyzer extends Analyzer {
  public TokenStream tokenStream(String fieldName, Reader reader) {
      TokenStream ts = new StandardTokenizer(reader);
    ts = new StandardFilter(ts);
    ts = new ThaiWordFilter(ts);
    ts = new StopFilter(ts, StopAnalyzer.ENGLISH_STOP_WORDS);
    return ts;
  }
}

Now as you said, I've to use whitespacetokenizer withworddelimitefilter[solr
nightly.jar] stop wordremoval, porter stemmer etc , so it is something like
this,
public class IndicAnalyzer extends Analyzer {
 public TokenStream tokenStream(String fieldName, Reader reader) {
   TokenStream ts = new WhiteSpaceTokenizer(reader);
   ts = new WordDelimiterFilter(ts);
   ts = new LowerCaseFilter(ts);
   ts = new StopFilter(ts, StopAnalyzer.ENGLISH_STOP_WORDS)   // english
stop filter, is this the default one?
   ts = new PorterFilter(ts);
   return ts;
 }
}

Does this sound OK? I think it will do the job...let me try it out..
I dont need custom filter as per my requirement, at least not for these
basic things I'm doing? I think so...

Thanks,
KK.


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com> wrote:

> KK well you can always get some good examples from the lucene contrib
> codebase.
> For example, look at the DutchAnalyzer, especially:
>
> TokenStream tokenStream(String fieldName, Reader reader)
>
> See how it combines a specified tokenizer with various filters? this is
> what
> you want to do, except of course you want to use different tokenizer and
> filters.
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:53 AM, KK <dioxide.software@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Muir.
> > Thanks for letting me know that I dont need language identifiers.
> >  I'll have a look and will try to write the analyzer. For my case I think
> > it
> > wont be that difficult.
> > BTW, can you point me to some sample codes/tutorials writing custom
> > analyzers. I could not find something in LIA2ndEdn. Is something htere?
> do
> > let me know.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > KK.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > KK, for your case, you don't really need to go to the effort of
> detecting
> > > whether fragments are english or not.
> > > Because the English stemmers in lucene will not modify your Indic text,
> > and
> > > neither will the LowerCaseFilter.
> > >
> > > what you want to do is create a custom analyzer that works like this
> > >
> > > -WhitespaceTokenizer with WordDelimiterFilter [from Solr nightly jar],
> > > LowerCaseFilter, StopFilter, and PorterStemFilter-
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:28 AM, KK <dioxide.software@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thank you all.
> > > > To be frank I was using Solr in the begining half a month ago. The
> > > > problem[rather bug] with solr was creation of new index on the fly.
> > > Though
> > > > they have a restful method for teh same, but it was not working. If I
> > > > remember properly one of Solr commiter "Noble Paul"[I dont know his
> > real
> > > > name] was trying to help me. I tried many nightly builds and spending
> a
> > > > couple of days stuck at that made me think of lucene and I switched
> to
> > > it.
> > > > Now after working with lucene which gives you full control of
> > everything
> > > I
> > > > don't want to switch to Solr.[LOL, to me Solr:Lucene is similar to
> > > > Window$:Linux, its my view only, though]. Coming back to the point as
> > Uwe
> > > > mentioned that we can do the same thing in lucene as well, what is
> > > > available
> > > > in Solr, Solr is based on Lucene only, right?
> > > > I request Uwe to give me some more ideas on using the analyzers from
> > solr
> > > > that will do the job for me, handling a mix of both english and
> > > non-english
> > > > content.
> > > > Muir, can you give me a bit detail description of how to use the
> > > > WordDelimiteFilter to do my job.
> > > > On a side note, I was thingking of writing a simple analyzer that
> will
> > do
> > > > the following,
> > > > #. If the webpage fragment is non-english[for me its some indian
> > > language]
> > > > then index them as such, no stemming/ stop word removal to begin
> with.
> > As
> > > I
> > > > know its in UCN unicode something like \u0021\u0012\u34ae\u0031[just
> a
> > > > sample]
> > > > # If the fragment is english then apply standard anlyzing process for
> > > > english content. I've not thought of quering in the same way as of
> now
> > > i.e
> > > > mix of non-english and engish words.
> > > > Now to get all this,
> > > >  #1. I need some sort of way which will let me know if the content is
> > > > english or not. If not english just add the tokens to the document.
> Do
> > we
> > > > really need language identifiers, as i dont have any other content
> that
> > > > uses
> > > > the same script as english other than those \u1234 things for my
> indian
> > > > language content. Any smart hack/trick for the same?
> > > >  #2. If the its english apply all normal process and add the stemmed
> > > token
> > > > to document.
> > > > For all this I was thinking of iterating earch word of the web page
> and
> > > > apply the above procedure. And finallyadd  the newly created document
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > index.
> > > >
> > > > I would like some one to guide me in this direction. I'm pretty
> people
> > > must
> > > > have done similar/same thing earlier, I request them to guide me/
> point
> > > me
> > > > to some tutorials for the same.
> > > > Else help me out writing a custom analyzer only if thats not going to
> > be
> > > > too
> > > > complex. LOL, I'm a new user to lucene and know basics of Java
> coding.
> > > > Thank you very much.
> > > >
> > > > --KK.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Robert Muir <rcmuir@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > yes this is true. for starters KK, might be good to startup solr
> and
> > > look
> > > > > at
> > > > > http://localhost:8983/solr/admin/analysis.jsp?highlight=on
> > > > >
> > > > > if you want to stick with lucene, the WordDelimiterFilter is the
> > piece
> > > > you
> > > > > will want for your text, mainly for punctuation but also for format
> > > > > characters such as ZWJ/ZWNJ.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Uwe Schindler <uwe@thetaphi.de>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You can also re-use the solr analyzers, as far as I found out.
> > There
> > > is
> > > > > an
> > > > > > issue in jIRA/discussion on java-dev to merge them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > Uwe Schindler
> > > > > > H.-H.-Meier-Allee 63, D-28213 Bremen
> > > > > > http://www.thetaphi.de
> > > > > > eMail: uwe@thetaphi.de
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Robert Muir [mailto:rcmuir@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 1:18 PM
> > > > > > > To: java-user@lucene.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: How to support stemming and case folding for
> english
> > > > > content
> > > > > > > mixed with non-english content?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > KK, ok, so you only really want to stem the english. This
is
> > good.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it possible for you to consider using solr? solr's default
> > > > analyzer
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > type 'text' will be good for your case. it will do the
> following
> > > > > > > 1. tokenize on whitespace
> > > > > > > 2. handle both indian language and english punctuation
> > > > > > > 3. lowercase the english.
> > > > > > > 4. stem the english.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > try a nightly build,
> > > > > > http://people.apache.org/builds/lucene/solr/nightly/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:12 AM, KK <dioxide.software@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Muir, thanks for your response.
> > > > > > > > I'm indexing indian language web pages which has got
descent
> > > amount
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > english content mixed with therein. For the time being
I'm
> not
> > > > going
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > any stemmers as we don't have standard stemmers for
indian
> > > > languages
> > > > > .
> > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > > what I want to do is like this,
> > > > > > > > Say I've a web page having hindi content with 5% english
> > content.
> > > > > Then
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > hindi I want to use the basic white space analyzer
as we dont
> > > have
> > > > > > > stemmers
> > > > > > > > for this as I mentioned earlier and whereever english
appears
> I
> > > > want
> > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be stemmed tokenized etc[the standard process used
for
> english
> > > > > > content].
> > > > > > > As
> > > > > > > > of now I'm using whitespace analyzer for the full
content
> which
> > > > > doesnot
> > > > > > > > support case folding, stemming etc for teh content.
So if
> there
> > > is
> > > > an
> > > > > > > > english word say "Detection" indexed as such then
searching
> for
> > > > > > > detection
> > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > detect is not giving any results, which is the expected
> > behavior,
> > > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > this kind of queries to give results.
> > > > > > > > I hope I made it clear. Let me know any ideas on doing
the
> > same.
> > > > And
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > more thing, I'm storing the full webpage content under
a
> single
> > > > > field,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > hope this will not make any difference, right?
> > > > > > > > It seems I've to use language identifiers, but do
we really
> > need
> > > > > that?
> > > > > > > > Because we've only non-english content mixed with
english[and
> > not
> > > > > > french
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > russian etc].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What is the best way of approaching the problem? Any
> thoughts!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > KK.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Robert Muir <
> rcmuir@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > KK, is all of your latin script text actually
english? Is
> > there
> > > > > stuff
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > german or french mixed in?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > And for your non-english content (your examples
have been
> > > indian
> > > > > > > writing
> > > > > > > > > systems), is it generally true that if you had
devanagari,
> > you
> > > > can
> > > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > > its hindi? or is there stuff like marathi mixed
in?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Reason I say this is to invoke the right stemmers,
you
> really
> > > > need
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > language detection, but perhaps in your case
you can cheat
> > and
> > > > > detect
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > based on scripts...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Robert
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:15 AM, KK <
> > > dioxide.software@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > > > > I'm indexing some non-english content. But
the page also
> > > > contains
> > > > > > > > english
> > > > > > > > > > content. As of now I'm using WhitespaceAnalyzer
for all
> > > content
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > storing the full webpage content under a
single filed.
> Now
> > we
> > > > > > > require
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > support case folding and stemmming for the
english
> content
> > > > > > > intermingled
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > non-english content. I must metion that
we dont have
> > stemming
> > > > and
> > > > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > folding for these non-english content. I'm
stuck with
> this.
> > > > Some
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > let
> > > > > > > > > > me know how to proceed for fixing this issue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > KK.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Robert Muir
> > > > > > > > > rcmuir@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Robert Muir
> > > > > > > rcmuir@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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