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From Michael McCandless <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Create Solr TLP - bigger picture
Date Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:03:05 GMT
Thanks Shane.

I agree we (the PMC) should have stepped in well before things got to
this point.  Hindsight is 20/20, and, I'm still learning here too ;)

Then we could have prevented such extreme non-Apache behavior (invalid
vetos, reverting wars).


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> Michael McCandless <> wrote:
> ...snip...
>> While I agree, out of context, Robert's use of a veto/revert wars is
>> inappropriate, and is not how things should be done in a healthy
>> Apache project.... Lucene/Solr are not healthy right now, and
>> desperate times call for desperate measures.
> Apache projects are about community and consensus driven development. When
> the larger community is having serious disagreements about the direction of
> the project, the first place the community (people here) should go is to the
> PMC - that'd be private@lucene in this case.
> PMCs *should* be the place to work these kinds of issues out.  If committers
> start engaging in controversial reverts, the community should *insist* that
> the PMC assist in the matter and help show the community-based way forwards.
> If committers on any Apache project aren't getting answers or help from
> their PMC, then you can always raise the issue up to board@.  Remember:
> we're all volunteers here: it does take time for PMCs or communities to
> really understand the issue and respond to it (even if there isn't
> consensus).  So I certainly wouldn't urge people to email board@ with every
> little issue without letting the PMC discuss it.
> But from a board perspective, we would certainly rather have heard of some
> of the apparent community issues in Solr and Lucene recently from a PMC
> member or committer *first*, before one of the directors was reading through
> some of these threads or JIRA comments this week.  The board welcomes
> reports on community health from our projects - good or bad.
> - Shane (not on Lucene lists)

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