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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Create Solr TLP - bigger picture
Date Wed, 27 Apr 2011 13:21:27 GMT
Michael McCandless <> wrote:

> While I agree, out of context, Robert's use of a veto/revert wars is
> inappropriate, and is not how things should be done in a healthy
> Apache project.... Lucene/Solr are not healthy right now, and
> desperate times call for desperate measures.

Apache projects are about community and consensus driven development. 
When the larger community is having serious disagreements about the 
direction of the project, the first place the community (people here) 
should go is to the PMC - that'd be private@lucene in this case.

PMCs *should* be the place to work these kinds of issues out.  If 
committers start engaging in controversial reverts, the community should 
*insist* that the PMC assist in the matter and help show the 
community-based way forwards.

If committers on any Apache project aren't getting answers or help from 
their PMC, then you can always raise the issue up to board@.  Remember: 
we're all volunteers here: it does take time for PMCs or communities to 
really understand the issue and respond to it (even if there isn't 
consensus).  So I certainly wouldn't urge people to email board@ with 
every little issue without letting the PMC discuss it.

But from a board perspective, we would certainly rather have heard of 
some of the apparent community issues in Solr and Lucene recently from a 
PMC member or committer *first*, before one of the directors was reading 
through some of these threads or JIRA comments this week.  The board 
welcomes reports on community health from our projects - good or bad.

- Shane (not on Lucene lists)

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