From general-return-2710-apmail-lucene-general-archive=lucene.apache.org@lucene.apache.org Sat Oct 30 16:55:47 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 24813 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 16:55:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 57611 invoked by uid 500); 30 Oct 2010 16:55:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-general-archive@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 57188 invoked by uid 500); 30 Oct 2010 16:55:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@lucene.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@lucene.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 57180 invoked by uid 99); 30 Oct 2010 16:55:45 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:55:45 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [140.211.11.9] (HELO minotaur.apache.org) (140.211.11.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:55:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 24707 invoked by uid 99); 30 Oct 2010 16:55:19 -0000 Received: from localhost.apache.org (HELO [10.0.0.10]) (127.0.0.1) (smtp-auth username gsingers, mechanism plain) by minotaur.apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:55:19 +0000 Subject: Re: Lucene.NET Community Status Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-912871431 From: Grant Ingersoll In-Reply-To: <1bba01cb7831$4035f640$c0a1e2c0$@net> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:55:16 -0400 Cc: , Message-Id: <9121B418-E853-4475-8F71-554E97BFEB4A@apache.org> References: <083FF0A3-CE11-4EE2-8EBA-1D62CE95CC35@apache.org> <1b0d01cb77e1$354e1e10$9fea5a30$@net> <979BA15F-2770-422B-A1E5-16F5EC1A4DE5@apache.org> <1bba01cb7831$4035f640$c0a1e2c0$@net> To: general@lucene.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-7-912871431 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Oct 30, 2010, at 8:52 AM, George Aroush wrote: > Hi Grant, >=20 > I'm perfectly fine going back to incubation, that will help us to > re-validate this project and hopefully bring in some new blood. If we = do > so, beside the current committers, who have had experience with = Lucene.Net > and the Apache way, who else do we bring in as new initial committers? = What > criteria do we use? Should we start with the current committers and = in 3-6 > months add / remove from the list? Here's the current list: George Aroush george @ aroush.net I=C5=9F=C4=B1k Y=C4=B0=C4=9E=C4=B0T (DIGY) digydigy @ gmail.com=20 Doug Sale dsale @ myspace-inc.com=20 Michael Garski mgarski @ myspace-inc.com Seeing how Doug, Isik and Michael haven't responded, you might want to = track them down. I think it is fine to see if they still want to = participate, but I'd look for other people who want to volunteer too. = I'd simply solicit names and add them to the Wiki proposal. I don't = think there is any requirement beyond that for incubation. What the = project needs right now is people who are willing to step up and act = now. >=20 > Btw, sorry to post this to 3 different mailing list, but I hope by = doing so > it gets some extra visibility. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -- George >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsingers@apache.org]=20 > Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 6:59 AM > To: lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org > Cc: general@lucene.apache.org; lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org > Subject: Re: Lucene.NET Community Status >=20 >=20 > On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:19 PM, George Aroush wrote: >=20 >> Hi Grant and all, >>=20 >> I will get engaged with the project again. The way I see it, by the = end > of >> the year, we must: >>=20 >> 1) Clean up the website, and / or >> 2) Create an official release off the current trunk, and >> 3) Sometimes next year, port the most current version of Java Lucene. >>=20 >> If by the end of the year, if we don't manage #1 and / or #2, = Lucene.Net >> should be at the mercy of Apache's PMC. >=20 > Please see the original email below. You also need new blood = contributing > to the project. One active committer for a project that has been = around > this long is not enough. You also need a plan for self determination, = i.e. > to either become a top level project (i.e. lucenenet.apache.org or = something > like that) here at the ASF or for spinning out somewhere else under a = new > name. This will be better for the project as you will then be guided = by a > PMC that is made up of the community members who have a stake in the > project, as opposed to now where you have a PMC, other than George, = that is > largely unaware of Lucene.NET and has no stake in Lucene.NET and is = not > informed enough to make decisions about new committers, releases, etc. = and > likely isn't even capable of running Lucene.NET (I'm on a Mac, for > instance.) =20 >=20 > In fact, if I were active in this community, I would put the self > determination piece of the puzzle before all others because it has a = number > of effects that make 1, 2 and 3 easier for you. Personally, I would = go back > to the Incubator with a proposal for re-entry there that adds at least = 4-5 > new committers based on volunteers stepping up here. Once you have = 4-5 new > committers, then you have people who can do the work to get a release = out, > clean up the website and, most importantly, learn how developing code = at the > ASF works. You also then have the genesis of a PMC that makes for a > sustainable project and one where you can get 3 binding PMC votes for = a > release (which you may not be able to do at the moment under Lucene = simply > because other than George, there are not any .NET programmers on the = PMC who > can verify the release is viable.) =20 >=20 > I can help you craft the proposal to go into the Incubator, as I feel = it is > part of my duties as Chair to see some resolve on this project, but = beyond > that I personally am not interested in being involved. I do think = there > needs to be a .NET version of Lucene, though, so I wish you all the = best of > luck in keeping the project alive. >=20 > -Grant >=20 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> The key for our success is for the community working together -- we = can't >> have few folks doing the heavy lifting of the project. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> -- George >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Grant Ingersoll [mailto:gsingers@apache.org]=20 >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:48 PM >> To: lucene-net-user@lucene.apache.org >> Cc: Lucene mailing list; lucene-net-dev@lucene.apache.org >> Subject: Lucene.NET Community Status >>=20 >> FYI: This message was sent to the lucene-net-dev@lucene.a.o list on = Oct. > 25 >> and elicited zero replies. I am sending it here in the hopes that = some of >> you will step forward and either bring this project back to life via = going >> back to the Incubator or we put it in the Apache Attic and someone = can > take >> and maintain it somewhere else under a different name per the terms = of the >> Apache License. >>=20 >> --- >> Hi .Netters, >>=20 >> The Lucene PMC would like to ask everyone involved with .NET if they = might >> chime in on the status of this project. There hasn't been a commit = since >> July 2010 (and that one was trivial and there were only 2 in June) = and > there >> seems to be very little activity on the dev mailing list. There also = has >> not been a release in a long time. This was brought up at the last = Lucene >> Board Report and it doesn't appear that there has been any action = since. > A >> community should be able to withstand the loss of a single committer, = but >> here it appears that there are no longer any committers willing to = work on >> the project. >>=20 >> In order to remedy the situation, we would like the following things = to be >> done: >> 1. The community needs to show some (sustained) life. Not just in = code, >> but in discussion of the project's future, etc. We would expect the >> committers to take a leadership role here. >> 2. The community needs to do a real release that is voted on by the = PMC. >> 3. The webpage needs to be updated to reflect that those previous = "source" >> releases are not real releases and should be taken down. Likewise, = the > news >> section should not tout these non-releases as releases. The website > should >> also meet the PMC Branding guidelines recently sent out. >> 4. Identify some new blood for contributors/committers. Or the = current >> committers need to step up more and take a lead role in the = community. >>=20 >> We would like to see action on all of these things by the end of this > year. >> If they can't be met, there will be one of the following actions: >> 1. Go back into Incubation >> 2. Go into the Apache Attic. If someone wants to take the code base = and >> fork it out as a project somewhere else under a new name that does = not use >> the Lucene trademark name (since that is owned by the ASF) than that = is >> perfectly acceptable under the Apache license. =20 >>=20 >> If the conditions can be met, we think that the project should spin = itself >> out as its own Top Level ASF project with its own PMC so that its = future >> direction can be set by the stakeholders of the project and not by = the >> larger Lucene project as a whole. >>=20 >> Sincerely, >> Grant Ingersoll >> On behalf of the Lucene PMC=3D >>=20 >=20 > -------------------------- > Grant Ingersoll > http://www.lucidimagination.com >=20 -------------------------- Grant Ingersoll http://www.lucidimagination.com/ Search the Lucene ecosystem docs using Solr/Lucene: http://www.lucidimagination.com/search --Apple-Mail-7-912871431--