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From Glyn Darkin <>
Subject Re: Lucene.NET Community Status
Date Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:08:19 GMT
Hi Guys,

Loosing Lucene.Net would be a major loss to the .Net community.

Count me in, I will help in any way I can. I have never supported an
open source project before, so have a lot to learn, but just point me
in the write direction and I will help.



On 30 October 2010 18:56, Simone Chiaretta <> wrote:
> I think that being not subscribed to the other mailing list probably my
> email will end up only in the user ML.
> Personally I think inside the ASF there is no awareness of how widespread is
> in the .NET world:
> It is used by many big projects, both opensource and commercial: for example
> Raven DB, a commercial/opensource NoSQL database is using it as foundation.
> Also Umbraco is using Lucene if I'm not wrong, and also Orchard and many
> other are using it, including NHibernate.
> And many big consulting companies are using it for their projects
> Personally I put into Subtext and developed a few PoC at the
> company I'm working for at the moment, but nothing major.
> I wrote a series of posts on on my blog and many people were
> wondering if the project was dead: this because there has not
> been a real release since years.
> Personally I'd love to see a main project, not under the umbrella
> of the Java version. And I'd also love to see it not just being a
> line-by-line port of the Java version, but that it also adopts the same
> conventions of .NET applications: in .NET there is are GetSize and SetSize
> methods as in java, but there would be the Size property. And so on.
> Talking about the official release: I'm pretty sure that if you take the
> 2.9.2 version and just make a binary release it will be good, since it is
> used by some many people without problems. But I don't know which are the
> requirements of the ASF for releasing official releases.
> Personally I don't care if is part of the ASF, in the incubator
> or hosted on CodePlex as standalone project, as long as there are releases,
> and some committers are working on it.
> Maybe could follow the same steps of NHibernate: it was just the
> step-child of Hibernate, owned by the same "company" and later it evolved to
> a project with its own dignity and ownership, implementing features that
> didn't exist in the java version (like Linq and now ConfORM), and not just
> doing line-by-line posting.
> Personally I'm willing to help writing some documentation, but I don't have
> the time to contribute on code as I'm already working on other opensource
> project.
> Probably this is not the most coherent email I wrote, but I hope it has some
> interesting points of discussion.
> Simone
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:52 PM, George Aroush <> wrote:
>> Hi Grant,
>> I'm perfectly fine going back to incubation, that will help us to
>> re-validate this project and hopefully bring in some new blood.  If we do
>> so, beside the current committers, who have had experience with Lucene.Net
>> and the Apache way, who else do we bring in as new initial committers?
>>  What
>> criteria do we use?  Should we start with the current committers and in 3-6
>> months add / remove from the list?
>> Btw, sorry to post this to 3 different mailing list, but I hope by doing so
>> it gets some extra visibility.
>> Thanks,
>> -- George
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Grant Ingersoll []
>> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 6:59 AM
>> To:
>> Cc:;
>> Subject: Re: Lucene.NET Community Status
>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:19 PM, George Aroush wrote:
>> > Hi Grant and all,
>> >
>> > I will get engaged with the project again.  The way I see it, by the end
>> of
>> > the year, we must:
>> >
>> > 1) Clean up the website, and / or
>> > 2) Create an official release off the current trunk, and
>> > 3) Sometimes next year, port the most current version of Java Lucene.
>> >
>> > If by the end of the year, if we don't manage #1 and / or #2, Lucene.Net
>> > should be at the mercy of Apache's PMC.
>> Please see the original email below.  You also need new blood contributing
>> to the project.  One active committer for a project that has been around
>> this long is not enough.  You also need a plan for self determination, i.e.
>> to either become a top level project (i.e. or
>> something
>> like that) here at the ASF or for spinning out somewhere else under a new
>> name.  This will be better for the project as you will then be guided by a
>> PMC that is made up of the community members who have a stake in the
>> project, as opposed to now where you have a PMC, other than George, that is
>> largely unaware of Lucene.NET and has no stake in Lucene.NET and is not
>> informed enough to make decisions about new committers, releases, etc. and
>> likely isn't even capable of running Lucene.NET (I'm on a Mac, for
>> instance.)
>> In fact, if I were active in this community, I would put the self
>> determination piece of the puzzle before all others because it has a number
>> of effects that make 1, 2 and 3 easier for you.  Personally, I would go
>> back
>> to the Incubator with a proposal for re-entry there that adds at least 4-5
>> new committers based on volunteers stepping up here.  Once you have 4-5 new
>> committers, then you have people who can do the work to get a release out,
>> clean up the website and, most importantly, learn how developing code at
>> the
>> ASF works.  You also then have the genesis of a PMC that makes for a
>> sustainable project and one where you can get 3 binding PMC votes for a
>> release (which you may not be able to do at the moment under Lucene simply
>> because other than George, there are not any .NET programmers on the PMC
>> who
>> can verify the release is viable.)
>> I can help you craft the proposal to go into the Incubator, as I feel it is
>> part of my duties as Chair to see some resolve on this project, but beyond
>> that I personally am not interested in being involved.  I do think there
>> needs to be a .NET version of Lucene, though, so I wish you all the best of
>> luck in keeping the project alive.
>> -Grant
>> >
>> > The key for our success is for the community working together -- we can't
>> > have few folks doing the heavy lifting of the project.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > -- George
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Grant Ingersoll []
>> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:48 PM
>> > To:
>> > Cc: Lucene mailing list;
>> > Subject: Lucene.NET Community Status
>> >
>> > FYI: This message was sent to the lucene-net-dev@lucene.a.o list on Oct.
>> 25
>> > and elicited zero replies.  I am sending it here in the hopes that some
>> of
>> > you will step forward and either bring this project back to life via
>> going
>> > back to the Incubator or we put it in the Apache Attic and someone can
>> take
>> > and maintain it somewhere else under a different name per the terms of
>> the
>> > Apache License.
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Hi .Netters,
>> >
>> > The Lucene PMC would like to ask everyone involved with .NET if they
>> might
>> > chime in on the status of this project.  There hasn't been a commit since
>> > July 2010 (and that one was trivial and there were only 2 in June) and
>> there
>> > seems to be very little activity on the dev mailing list.  There also has
>> > not been a release in a long time.  This was brought up at the last
>> Lucene
>> > Board Report and it doesn't appear that there has been any action since.
>> A
>> > community should be able to withstand the loss of a single committer, but
>> > here it appears that there are no longer any committers willing to work
>> on
>> > the project.
>> >
>> > In order to remedy the situation, we would like the following things to
>> be
>> > done:
>> > 1.  The community needs to show some (sustained) life.  Not just in code,
>> > but in discussion of the project's future, etc.  We would expect the
>> > committers to take a leadership role here.
>> > 2. The community needs to do a real release that is voted on by the PMC.
>> > 3. The webpage needs to be updated to reflect that those previous
>> "source"
>> > releases are not real releases and should be taken down.  Likewise, the
>> news
>> > section should not tout these non-releases as releases.  The website
>> should
>> > also meet the PMC Branding guidelines recently sent out.
>> > 4. Identify some new blood for contributors/committers.  Or the current
>> > committers need to step up more and take a lead role in the community.
>> >
>> > We would like to see action on all of these things by the end of this
>> year.
>> > If they can't be met, there will be one of the following actions:
>> > 1. Go back into Incubation
>> > 2. Go into the Apache Attic.  If someone wants to take the code base and
>> > fork it out as a project somewhere else under a new name that does not
>> use
>> > the Lucene trademark name (since that is owned by the ASF) than that is
>> > perfectly acceptable under the Apache license.
>> >
>> > If the conditions can be met, we think that the project should spin
>> itself
>> > out as its own Top Level ASF project with its own PMC so that its future
>> > direction can be set by the stakeholders of the project and not by the
>> > larger Lucene project as a whole.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Grant Ingersoll
>> > On behalf of the Lucene PMC=
>> >
>> --------------------------
>> Grant Ingersoll
> --
> Simone Chiaretta
> Microsoft MVP ASP.NET - ASPInsider
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