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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Factor out a standalone, shared analysis package for Nutch/Solr/Lucene?
Date Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:20:52 GMT
Hi Robert,

I think my proposal (Solr->TLP) is sort of orthogonal to the whole analyzers issue - I
was in favor, at the very least, of having a separate module/project/whatever that both Solr/Lucene
(and whatever project) can depend on for the shared analyzer code...

Cheers,
Chris



On 3/1/10 9:12 AM, "Robert Muir" <rcmuir@gmail.com> wrote:

this will make the analyzers duplication problem even worse

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for your message. I respect your viewpoint, but I respectfully
> disagree. It just seems (to me at least based on the discussion) like a TLP
> for Solr is the way to go.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
> On 3/1/10 8:54 AM, "Mark Miller" <markrmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2010 10:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> >
> >> That would really be no real world change from how things work today.
> The fact
> >> is, today, Solr already operates essentially as an independent project.
> >>
> > Well if that's the case, then it would lead me to think that it's more of
> a
> > TLP more than anything else per best practices.
> >
> That depends. It could be argued it should be a top level project or
> that it should be closer to the Lucene project. Some people are arguing
> for both approaches right now. There are two directions we could move in.
> >
> >> The only real difference is that it shares the same PMC with Lucene now
> and
> >> wouldn't with this change. This would address none of the issues that
> >> triggered
> >> the idea for a possible merge.
> >>
> > I don't agree -- you're looking to bring together two communities that
> are
> > "fairly separate" as you put it. The separation likely didn't spring up
> over
> > night and has been this way for a while (as least to my knowledge). This
> is
> > exactly the type of situation that typically leads to TLP creation from
> what
> > I've seen.
> >
> It also causes negatives between Solr/Lucene that some are looking to
> address. Hence the birth of this proposal. Going TLP with Solr will only
> aggravate those negatives, not help them.
>
> While the communities operate fairly separately at the moment, the
> people in the communities are not so separate. The committer list has
> huge overlap. Many committers on one project but not the other do a lot
> of work on both projects.
>
> There is already a strong link with the personal - merging the
> management of the projects addresses many of the concerns that have
> prompted this discussion. TLP'ing Solr only makes those concerns
> multiply. They would diverge further, and incompatible overlap between
> them would increase.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/01/2010 10:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Grant,
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to explore this<   does this imply that the Lucene
> sub-projects will
> >>> go away and Lucene will turn into Lucene-java and maintain its Apache
> TLP,
> >>> and then you'd have say, solr.apache.org, tika.apache.org,
> mahout.apache.org
> >>> (already started), etc. etc.? If so, that may be the best of all
> worlds,
> >>> allowing project independence, but also not following the Apache
> >>> "antipattern" as Doug put it...
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 3/1/10 7:28 AM, "Grant Ingersoll"<gsingers@apache.org>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Also, as Doug alluded to, the Board is likely to ask us to consider
> less
> >>>> subprojects in the future, so we may be consolidating and spinning off
> >>>> anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >>> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
> >>> Phone: +1 (818) 354-8810
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Mark
> >>
> >> http://www.lucidimagination.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
> > WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> - Mark
>
> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/<http://sunset.usc.edu/%7Emattmann/>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>


--
Robert Muir
rcmuir@gmail.com



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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