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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Factor out a standalone, shared analysis package for Nutch/Solr/Lucene?
Date Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:06:27 GMT
Hi Mark,

Thanks for your message. I respect your viewpoint, but I respectfully disagree. It just seems
(to me at least based on the discussion) like a TLP for Solr is the way to go.

Cheers,
Chris



On 3/1/10 8:54 AM, "Mark Miller" <markrmiller@gmail.com> wrote:

On 03/01/2010 10:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
>
>> That would really be no real world change from how things work today. The fact
>> is, today, Solr already operates essentially as an independent project.
>>
> Well if that's the case, then it would lead me to think that it's more of a
> TLP more than anything else per best practices.
>
That depends. It could be argued it should be a top level project or
that it should be closer to the Lucene project. Some people are arguing
for both approaches right now. There are two directions we could move in.
>
>> The only real difference is that it shares the same PMC with Lucene now and
>> wouldn't with this change. This would address none of the issues that
>> triggered
>> the idea for a possible merge.
>>
> I don't agree -- you're looking to bring together two communities that are
> "fairly separate" as you put it. The separation likely didn't spring up over
> night and has been this way for a while (as least to my knowledge). This is
> exactly the type of situation that typically leads to TLP creation from what
> I've seen.
>
It also causes negatives between Solr/Lucene that some are looking to
address. Hence the birth of this proposal. Going TLP with Solr will only
aggravate those negatives, not help them.

While the communities operate fairly separately at the moment, the
people in the communities are not so separate. The committer list has
huge overlap. Many committers on one project but not the other do a lot
of work on both projects.

There is already a strong link with the personal - merging the
management of the projects addresses many of the concerns that have
prompted this discussion. TLP'ing Solr only makes those concerns
multiply. They would diverge further, and incompatible overlap between
them would increase.

> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 03/01/2010 10:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Grant,
>>>
>>> I'd like to explore this<   does this imply that the Lucene sub-projects will
>>> go away and Lucene will turn into Lucene-java and maintain its Apache TLP,
>>> and then you'd have say, solr.apache.org, tika.apache.org, mahout.apache.org
>>> (already started), etc. etc.? If so, that may be the best of all worlds,
>>> allowing project independence, but also not following the Apache
>>> "antipattern" as Doug put it...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/10 7:28 AM, "Grant Ingersoll"<gsingers@apache.org>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also, as Doug alluded to, the Board is likely to ask us to consider less
>>>> subprojects in the future, so we may be consolidating and spinning off
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>>> Phone: +1 (818) 354-8810
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> - Mark
>>
>> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>


--
- Mark

http://www.lucidimagination.com






++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


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