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From Mark Miller <markrmil...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Factor out a standalone, shared analysis package for Nutch/Solr/Lucene?
Date Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:11:00 GMT
That's fine with me ;)

I can certainly see people thinking both ways. I'm sure neither approach 
is a clear win in every aspect.

- Mark

On 03/01/2010 11:06 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for your message. I respect your viewpoint, but I respectfully disagree. It just
seems (to me at least based on the discussion) like a TLP for Solr is the way to go.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
> On 3/1/10 8:54 AM, "Mark Miller"<markrmiller@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> On 03/01/2010 10:40 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>    
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>>
>>      
>>> That would really be no real world change from how things work today. The fact
>>> is, today, Solr already operates essentially as an independent project.
>>>
>>>        
>> Well if that's the case, then it would lead me to think that it's more of a
>> TLP more than anything else per best practices.
>>
>>      
> That depends. It could be argued it should be a top level project or
> that it should be closer to the Lucene project. Some people are arguing
> for both approaches right now. There are two directions we could move in.
>    
>>      
>>> The only real difference is that it shares the same PMC with Lucene now and
>>> wouldn't with this change. This would address none of the issues that
>>> triggered
>>> the idea for a possible merge.
>>>
>>>        
>> I don't agree -- you're looking to bring together two communities that are
>> "fairly separate" as you put it. The separation likely didn't spring up over
>> night and has been this way for a while (as least to my knowledge). This is
>> exactly the type of situation that typically leads to TLP creation from what
>> I've seen.
>>
>>      
> It also causes negatives between Solr/Lucene that some are looking to
> address. Hence the birth of this proposal. Going TLP with Solr will only
> aggravate those negatives, not help them.
>
> While the communities operate fairly separately at the moment, the
> people in the communities are not so separate. The committer list has
> huge overlap. Many committers on one project but not the other do a lot
> of work on both projects.
>
> There is already a strong link with the personal - merging the
> management of the projects addresses many of the concerns that have
> prompted this discussion. TLP'ing Solr only makes those concerns
> multiply. They would diverge further, and incompatible overlap between
> them would increase.
>
>    
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>      
>>>
>>> On 03/01/2010 10:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>>
>>>        
>>>> Hey Grant,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to explore this<    does this imply that the Lucene sub-projects
will
>>>> go away and Lucene will turn into Lucene-java and maintain its Apache TLP,
>>>> and then you'd have say, solr.apache.org, tika.apache.org, mahout.apache.org
>>>> (already started), etc. etc.? If so, that may be the best of all worlds,
>>>> allowing project independence, but also not following the Apache
>>>> "antipattern" as Doug put it...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/1/10 7:28 AM, "Grant Ingersoll"<gsingers@apache.org>    wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> Also, as Doug alluded to, the Board is likely to ask us to consider less
>>>>> subprojects in the future, so we may be consolidating and spinning off
>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>>> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>>>> Phone: +1 (818) 354-8810
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>> --
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
>> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>      
>
> --
> - Mark
>
> http://www.lucidimagination.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>    


-- 
- Mark

http://www.lucidimagination.com




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