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From Michael McCandless <>
Subject Re: Search on
Date Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:54:45 GMT

This is a great idea: we should certainly eat our own dog food.  I
think it'd be great to have the search powered by Lucid (Lucid being
willing of course...).  I would also love to expand this to other
Apache sites, but Lucid doesn't (yet?) search other Apache sites.

There is some important risks involved... we'd (Lucid'd) need to do a
good / responsive job fixing issues, keeping server up, data fresh,
etc.  If not, then the average new possible user might go through this
process: I heard of Lucene; should we use it?  Oh, Lucene powers
Apache's site, so let's go play with that search.  Oh, it has some
weird problems, and it's sluggish, and this other search site does a
better job, and XYZ, etc...  Maybe Lucene isn't right for us.

Meaning, if we do this, we really need to do it right.  If Lucid
powers it, Lucid needs to fix issues quickly; or perhaps Lucid could
make available (open source) the underlying configuration / code that
powers their Solr instance, so that the community can jump in and
produce patches to fix things.  EG there are some things about Lucid's
search I'd love to fix -- I've interacted with them on these already,
but if instead I could open a Jira issue, put a patch on, iterate,
have it committed and in 30 minutes it's pushed to a dev instance
which we all can test, and every so often production cuts over to that
dev instance, then that'd be fabulous.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 5:42 AM, Jukka Zitting <> wrote:
> Hi,
> As discussed at the ApacheCon, we're the search experts at Apache but
> still most of our web sites at use a Google search
> box. And the Google search isn't even that powerful, as it doesn't
> cover our mailing lists, wikis, issue trackers, etc. Let's fix that
> using our own search technology!
> Lucid Imagination already implemented a search at
>, though that implementation
> also contains stuff from their web site. Perhaps we could ask them to
> set up a version that only returns stuff from
> Would people be worried about the Lucid branding on search result
> pages? I don't think that's too much of a problem as the current
> search results are already Google-branded. Anyway, if someone feels
> this is a problem (and has the time and energy to fix it), we could
> also ask for an infra zone where a similar ASF-hosted search service
> could be set up. Or perhaps Lucid would be willing to give us an
> ASF-branded version of the search with just a "search results brought
> to you by Lucid Imagination" note attached?
> PS. I can think of a number of Apache projects who'd love a similar setup.
> BR,
> Jukka Zitting

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