Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 186D6D8C5 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 10:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 81503 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2012 10:36:57 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 81292 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2012 10:36:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@lucene.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@lucene.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 81283 invoked by uid 99); 9 Nov 2012 10:36:56 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:36:56 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of simon.willnauer@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.48] (HELO mail-oa0-f48.google.com) (209.85.219.48) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:36:51 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id h2so4288032oag.35 for ; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:36:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xE9UEn8Z9ILgUoqQN8w8uH51ez3llQXFAGHGGldEc8M=; b=o2+RxamEmss+Z9rNBpwNta5dFonKTwVZZmoA6YdyTPYjU0h4Zz6B3n6LDpxIE+jIZP xjbn42xK3aH6yDFxFOvpY9cTVHGqQ+FFpTjW8g/95JeNnAm6sg+P9W72GuZuSITk426t CRXH4cpqc4IujGg6Yw5bUZN2Aqtf7NXhYArwN5uSrzFrI+MdjPA/0w89AoH0eUoHD1ps NBqy7lEzW3XBhkPzVd5i2H6mrb8jXyv4zG44eAABrBV3pSIKJr2P4QNcUdYwzW283iUf CLd+uIcQt0GGyVJbdUiE0c3eptGneniAx2+ZmXDDn2yZy0a1s4yP/qQLSQVEc9bgaOX5 UPiw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.117.74 with SMTP id kc10mr8117876obb.63.1352457390962; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:36:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.11.72 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Nov 2012 02:36:30 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: simon.willnauer@gmail.com Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:36:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Failing tests aka. "what's the point of running them?" From: Simon Willnauer To: dev@lucene.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org hey folks, I know yonik and mark had a long time power outage so I don't want to blame anybody here but we need to fix those test failures. Really when you look at those jenkins jobs: http://jenkins.sd-datasolutions.de/job/Lucene-Solr-trunk-Windows/ http://jenkins.sd-datasolutions.de/job/Lucene-Solr-4.x-Linux/ https://builds.apache.org/computer/lucene/ https://builds.apache.org/job/Lucene-Solr-NightlyTests-4.x/ its really funny if that'd be a joke but it isn't. If I'd be a new contributor I'd be scared as sh** when I subscribe to the mailing list. It's also not a good advertisement for us either. Yet, even further it makes me miss failures I might have caused since the amount of failure mails don't encourage to look at them since its the same tests that fail over and over again no matter what code I commit. I can already hear somebody saying "why don't you fix it" - well fair enough but this project is massive and we are a large committer base and I don't see myself fix the code I have never ever touched. Anyhow, I really ask myself what is the point of running these tests, specifically the solr ones, if the fail over and over again and nobody cares? Even if folks care they don't get fixed and this project as more committers than yonik and mark. Its really a bad sign if we are at the point where we rely on 2 people to fix tests on a stable branch... I'd really like to hear how people want to address this, I mean it would be just fair to disable the tests until somebody has the patience / time to fix them we can / should make it blockers for a release. Really a jenkins mail should be the exception not the rule...I also think if the FreeBSD jenkins black hole stuff is a problem for the tests then lets add a @BlackHoleProne annotation and only run that on linux? I really don't care how we fix it but if we don't have a solution by the end of next week I will add @Ignore to all of them that failed in the last 2 weeks. Sorry I got so frustrated about this - this is really bad press here! simon --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@lucene.apache.org