Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B61E7953B for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 87537 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jun 2012 20:56:31 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 87483 invoked by uid 500); 6 Jun 2012 20:56:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@lucene.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@lucene.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 87470 invoked by uid 99); 6 Jun 2012 20:56:31 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:56:31 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dawid.weiss@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.176 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.213.176] (HELO mail-yx0-f176.google.com) (209.85.213.176) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:56:26 +0000 Received: by yenm14 with SMTP id m14so6570552yen.35 for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:56:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=l9pC7Ot+d/S5wFA6uNLUscfo0LR8U2RZgfE2UdfsI7U=; b=vHQLhK7n55f5JDUgP0GDNDNTaDPBNgP610kPvdnWGgpQJI7LcauOA59ks6tVFdgavL jX1BXS3wQTOiSPjKvCzZEpUhXl9fEL6Su88yJui6NNCOspXYNxDmNd78ltchqWDnLs8T 6NXkCC29Vd437QpraqNRuBvkJpij/g959M46aRvKFuxZnQrqfI9/2J9ClhVJyPPbv9fl DBKWDz/Du0HTDi6BdFI63vn6b80f2EfPj19G8hi5xJ9lVP3P8ofKLEch0iU5v5nbid5O HE35mRnKn71ueu9NklXv+quk75pLF3XDTO+XNbD/2uJnSh7xqP6z5HJxMLLgQtBtplMs H6Ng== Received: by 10.42.61.134 with SMTP id u6mr11974773ich.11.1339016163992; Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:56:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: dawid.weiss@gmail.com Received: by 10.43.80.73 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:55:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1CAB9E51-2D1F-4809-8FE5-3864ADEB3E04@gmail.com> <7CD8940F-4746-4E4C-B187-9A113DAA74EA@opensourceconnections.com> From: Dawid Weiss Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:55:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uPWnFhS2tmY2Vx1Ziw8AMlXcyw0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: remove "via" To: dev@lucene.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I think I understand your viewpoint but I'll stick with mine for now (that is: I don't care for 'via' attribution in CHANGES.txt, but I also don't object it -- I'll stick with whatever consensus there will be). Dawid On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Mark Miller wrote: > > On Jun 6, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Dawid Weiss wrote: > >> As >> far as important stuff is done I wouldn't worry about who gets the >> credit... > > I think that's kind of short sighted. These credits matter to some, and m= any of these things, while they may not matter to us personally, that does = not make them unimportant as far as our structure and policies going forwar= d. > > While it may sound magnanimous to say, credit be damned, that's just ment= al masturbation, as long as the work comes in thats fine, I think it ignore= s the bigger picture. Why does Random Bum #2 get a credit in a movie? Do si= mple credits like this have value or not? And if they have value for outsid= e contributors, do they also have value for committers when committing some= one else's work? I know I was pumped the first time I got my name in the Lu= cene changes. Does it matter so much these days? No. But I wouldn't presume= to make that call for others or future committers. > > I have always been a fan of our credit system, and I think it serves it's= purpose well. When I look for things like this, I don't start tracking dow= n JIRA issues and SVN commits. I simply browse CHANGES.txt. I search for th= e number of occurrences for a user name, I look at how long its been since = someone has been active, I check who likes to commit others work, etc. I've= done all that at one time or another. I know there is a name or two in par= ticular that mostly just commits others work if I remember right. If someon= e commits 1000 of someone else's patches, but does not author any, should t= hey have no entry in CHANGES.txt? That sounds absurd to me. > > It's a great place for prospective employers to look as well. > > Personally, I currently don't have much stake in my name showing up in CH= ANGES.txt. It's currently easy enough to find a job regardless, and my ego = is already fat and happy. But I would not evaluate these things personally = - I evaluate them from the perspective of this project going forward - with= the idea that there may be a completely new set of committers in 5 years t= ime. What is the best policy for the project, not my own feelings about wan= ting or not wanting credit for something. > > - Mark Miller > lucidimagination.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@lucene.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@lucene.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@lucene.apache.org