Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 97163 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 12:27:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 13 May 2010 12:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 30298 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2010 12:27:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-dev-archive@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 30179 invoked by uid 500); 13 May 2010 12:27:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@lucene.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@lucene.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 30172 invoked by uid 99); 13 May 2010 12:27:03 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:27:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1421.9 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [140.211.11.22] (HELO thor.apache.org) (140.211.11.22) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:27:02 +0000 Received: from thor (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thor.apache.org (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4DCQfP0021796 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 12:26:42 GMT Message-ID: <29532154.18051273753601977.JavaMail.jira@thor> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:26:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Robert Muir (JIRA)" To: dev@lucene.apache.org Subject: [jira] Commented: (LUCENE-2458) queryparser shouldn't generate phrasequeries based on term count In-Reply-To: <9038604.10791273607741173.JavaMail.jira@thor> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-JIRA-FingerPrint: 30527f35849b9dde25b450d4833f0394 [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2458?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867122#action_12867122 ] Robert Muir commented on LUCENE-2458: ------------------------------------- bq. When StandardAnalyzer splits a part-number-like token, it should do so as well. I don't think StandardAnalyzer should do any such thing. Maybe in some screwed up search engine biased towards english and analyzers have to work around it, then EnglishAnalyzer would do this, but not StandardAnalyzer. And now you see why this is no solution at all, we will only then end up arguing about the toggle for this aweful hack in more places! Instead, the tokenizer used for English should tokenize English better, rather than hacking *the entire search engine* around it. > queryparser shouldn't generate phrasequeries based on term count > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: LUCENE-2458 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2458 > Project: Lucene - Java > Issue Type: Bug > Components: QueryParser > Reporter: Robert Muir > Priority: Critical > > The current method in the queryparser to generate phrasequeries is wrong: > The Query Syntax documentation (http://lucene.apache.org/java/3_0_1/queryparsersyntax.html) states: > {noformat} > A Phrase is a group of words surrounded by double quotes such as "hello dolly". > {noformat} > But as we know, this isn't actually true. > Instead the terms are first divided on whitespace, then the analyzer term count is used as some sort of "heuristic" to determine if its a phrase query or not. > This assumption is a disaster for languages that don't use whitespace separation: CJK, compounding European languages like German, Finnish, etc. It also > makes it difficult for people to use n-gram analysis techniques. In these cases you get bad relevance (MAP improves nearly *10x* if you use a PositionFilter at query-time to "turn this off" for chinese). > For even english, this undocumented behavior is bad. Perhaps in some cases its being abused as some heuristic to "second guess" the tokenizer and piece back things it shouldn't have split, but for large collections, doing things like generating phrasequeries because StandardTokenizer split a compound on a dash can cause serious performance problems. Instead people should analyze their text with the appropriate methods, and QueryParser should only generate phrase queries when the syntax asks for one. > The PositionFilter in contrib can be seen as a workaround, but its pretty obscure and people are not familiar with it. The result is we have bad out-of-box behavior for many languages, and bad performance for others on some inputs. > I propose instead that we change the grammar to actually look for double quotes to determine when to generate a phrase query, consistent with the documentation. -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. - You can reply to this email to add a comment to the issue online. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@lucene.apache.org