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From "Robert Muir (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] Issue Comment Edited: (LUCENE-1458) Further steps towards flexible indexing
Date Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:37:40 GMT

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Robert Muir edited comment on LUCENE-1458 at 11/24/09 4:37 PM:
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{quote}
So this is definitely a back compat problem. And, unfortunately, even
if we like the true codepoint sort order, it's not easy to switch to
in a back-compat manner because if we write new segments into an old
index, SegmentMerger will be in big trouble when it tries to merge two
segments that had sorted the terms differently.
{quote}

Mike, I think it goes well beyond this. 
I think sort order is an exceptional low-level case that can trickle all the way up high into
the application layer (including user perception itself), and create bugs.
Does a non-technical user in Hong Kong know how many code units each ideograph they enter
are? 
Should they care? They will just not understand if things are in different order.

I think we are stuck with UTF-16 without a huge effort, which would not be worth it in any
case.


      was (Author: rcmuir):
    {quote}
So this is definitely a back compat problem. And, unfortunately, even
if we like the true codepoint sort order, it's not easy to switch to
in a back-compat manner because if we write new segments into an old
index, SegmentMerger will be in big trouble when it tries to merge two
segments that had sorted the terms differently.
{quote}

Mike, I think it goes well beyond this. 
I think sort order is an exceptional low-level case that can trickle all the way up high into
the application layer (including user perception itself), and create bugs.
Does a non-technical user in Hong Kong know how many codepoints each ideograph they enter
are? 
Should they care? They will just not understand if things are in different order.

I think we are stuck with UTF-16 without a huge effort, which would not be worth it in any
case.

  
> Further steps towards flexible indexing
> ---------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: LUCENE-1458
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-1458
>             Project: Lucene - Java
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: Index
>    Affects Versions: 2.9
>            Reporter: Michael McCandless
>            Assignee: Michael McCandless
>            Priority: Minor
>         Attachments: LUCENE-1458-back-compat.patch, LUCENE-1458-back-compat.patch, LUCENE-1458-back-compat.patch,
LUCENE-1458-back-compat.patch, LUCENE-1458-back-compat.patch, LUCENE-1458-back-compat.patch,
LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch,
LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch,
LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.patch, LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2, LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2,
LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2, LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2, LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2, LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2, LUCENE-1458.tar.bz2,
LUCENE-1458_sortorder_bwcompat.patch, LUCENE-1458_termenum_bwcompat.patch, UnicodeTestCase.patch,
UnicodeTestCase.patch
>
>
> I attached a very rough checkpoint of my current patch, to get early
> feedback.  All tests pass, though back compat tests don't pass due to
> changes to package-private APIs plus certain bugs in tests that
> happened to work (eg call TermPostions.nextPosition() too many times,
> which the new API asserts against).
> [Aside: I think, when we commit changes to package-private APIs such
> that back-compat tests don't pass, we could go back, make a branch on
> the back-compat tag, commit changes to the tests to use the new
> package private APIs on that branch, then fix nightly build to use the
> tip of that branch?o]
> There's still plenty to do before this is committable! This is a
> rather large change:
>   * Switches to a new more efficient terms dict format.  This still
>     uses tii/tis files, but the tii only stores term & long offset
>     (not a TermInfo).  At seek points, tis encodes term & freq/prox
>     offsets absolutely instead of with deltas delta.  Also, tis/tii
>     are structured by field, so we don't have to record field number
>     in every term.
> .
>     On first 1 M docs of Wikipedia, tii file is 36% smaller (0.99 MB
>     -> 0.64 MB) and tis file is 9% smaller (75.5 MB -> 68.5 MB).
> .
>     RAM usage when loading terms dict index is significantly less
>     since we only load an array of offsets and an array of String (no
>     more TermInfo array).  It should be faster to init too.
> .
>     This part is basically done.
>   * Introduces modular reader codec that strongly decouples terms dict
>     from docs/positions readers.  EG there is no more TermInfo used
>     when reading the new format.
> .
>     There's nice symmetry now between reading & writing in the codec
>     chain -- the current docs/prox format is captured in:
> {code}
> FormatPostingsTermsDictWriter/Reader
> FormatPostingsDocsWriter/Reader (.frq file) and
> FormatPostingsPositionsWriter/Reader (.prx file).
> {code}
>     This part is basically done.
>   * Introduces a new "flex" API for iterating through the fields,
>     terms, docs and positions:
> {code}
> FieldProducer -> TermsEnum -> DocsEnum -> PostingsEnum
> {code}
>     This replaces TermEnum/Docs/Positions.  SegmentReader emulates the
>     old API on top of the new API to keep back-compat.
>     
> Next steps:
>   * Plug in new codecs (pulsing, pfor) to exercise the modularity /
>     fix any hidden assumptions.
>   * Expose new API out of IndexReader, deprecate old API but emulate
>     old API on top of new one, switch all core/contrib users to the
>     new API.
>   * Maybe switch to AttributeSources as the base class for TermsEnum,
>     DocsEnum, PostingsEnum -- this would give readers API flexibility
>     (not just index-file-format flexibility).  EG if someone wanted
>     to store payload at the term-doc level instead of
>     term-doc-position level, you could just add a new attribute.
>   * Test performance & iterate.

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