Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-java-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 31370 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2009 20:11:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 13 Oct 2009 20:11:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9423 invoked by uid 500); 13 Oct 2009 20:11:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-lucene-java-dev-archive@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 9345 invoked by uid 500); 13 Oct 2009 20:11:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact java-dev-help@lucene.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list java-dev@lucene.apache.org Received: (qmail 9337 invoked by uid 99); 13 Oct 2009 20:11:26 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:11:26 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of markrmiller@gmail.com designates 72.14.220.156 as permitted sender) Received: from [72.14.220.156] (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.156) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:11:24 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so1399364fga.5 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:11:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=C0FjoefvdcootoM5ybIWNqogLT8eo3t2c7jfvFvbu4U=; b=vFdyU+ZThqXYKfhWfrAGWgdj9dMMlExMxv2ohCzcnQ9J2TAR72twPN+RkLOFecGLL3 5RbWMTWAlPlHjQ2dHI9Ua33PClJV1Z7FB0idQtKgddzqTyEaDS0LKDuiDy8uLcT4aqyi iCmdN5IVaSQnPrQL6gS3fGHN+80c5lihRJtBg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Obwp7pevNX4h4BgepSCKQQCBz9epo0LhwZ3qPR+YsT8mN+MqWSDpM8AZxSK+5Znzaf y9ptYW2foyVbl+WKM2jmgE93bpF3IahzUdJqght2GK25hwOfGdvsamQ6JAbugf6gC+Y5 JgDOwTlVbcVFb+RViTa3l+VI88YA6p+L/9Km8= Received: by 10.86.226.5 with SMTP id y5mr6770610fgg.36.1255464662767; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.108? (ool-44c639d9.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.57.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l19sm226936fgb.11.2009.10.13.13.11.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4AD4DED4.2070208@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:11:00 -0400 From: Mark Miller User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org Subject: Re: Draft for java-user mail about backwards-compatibility policy changes References: <4AD4CFDD.1050606@gmail.com> <9ac0c6aa0910131307r7e7e3f20nb02007b5786e5862@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ac0c6aa0910131307r7e7e3f20nb02007b5786e5862@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it should be more clear that the devs have not come to an agreement on this change yet, irregardless of the communities input. Michael McCandless wrote: > Looks good! > > Mike > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Michael Busch wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I wrote a draft for a mail I'd like to send to java-user to get some >> feedback about the proposed changes to our backwards-compatibility policy we >> discussed here and on LUCENE-1698. >> Let me know what you think please! >> >> Michael >> >> >> Hello Lucene users: >> >> In the past we have discussed our backwards-compatibility policy >> frequently on the Lucene developer mailinglist and we are very tempted >> to make some significant changes. In this mail I'd like to outline the >> proposed changes to get some feedback from the user community. >> >> Our current backwards-compatibility policy regarding API changes >> states that we can only make changes that break >> backwards-compatibility in major releases (3.0, 4.0, etc.); the next >> major release is the upcoming 3.0. >> >> Given how often we made major releases in the past in Lucene this >> means that deprecated APIs need to stay in Lucene for a very long >> time. E.g. if we deprecate an API in 3.1 we'll have to wait until 4.0 >> before we can remove it. This means that the code gets very cluttered >> and adding new features gets somewhat more difficult, as attention has >> to be paid to properly support the old *and* new APIs for a quite long >> time. >> >> The current policy also leads to delaying a last minor release before >> a major release (e.g. 2.9), because the developers consider it as the >> last chance for a long time to introduce new APIs and deprecate old ones. >> >> The proposal now is to change this policy in a way, so that an API can >> only be removed if it was deprecated in at least one release, which >> can be a major *or* minor release. E.g. if we deprecate an API and >> release it with 3.1, we can remove it with the 3.2 release. >> >> For users this means of course that a simple jar drop-in replacement >> won't be possible anymore with almost every Lucene release (excluding >> bugfix releases, e.g. 2.9.0->2.9.1). However, you can be sure that if >> you're using a non-deprecated API it will be in the next release. >> >> Note that of course these proposed changes do not affect >> backwards-compatibility with old index formats. I.e. it will still be >> possible to read all 3.X indexes with any Lucene 4.X version. >> >> Our main goal is to find the right balance between >> backwards-compatibility support for all the Lucene users out there and >> fast and productive development of new features. If we get positive >> feedback here we will call a vote on the development mailinglist where >> the committers have to officially decide whether to make these changes or >> not. >> >> Note that in any case the changes will take affect *after* the 3.0 >> release. >> >> On behalf of the Lucene developers, >> Michael Busch >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-dev-unsubscribe@lucene.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: java-dev-help@lucene.apache.org > > -- - Mark http://www.lucidimagination.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-dev-unsubscribe@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: java-dev-help@lucene.apache.org