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From "Jason Rutherglen" <jason.rutherg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Ocean and GData
Date Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:43:13 GMT
The wiki has been updated to reflect the addition of the RDMBS
comparison, the removal of references to GData.

On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Otis Gospodnetic
<otis_gospodnetic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think it's a lot simpler to just say "look how RDBMS does it - you insert and can immediately
select what you just added without incurring any kind of extra cost" and that's it.  Seems
plenty clear and less confusing, I think.
>
>  Otis
> --
> Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jason Rutherglen <jason.rutherglen@gmail.com>
>> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:23:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: Ocean and GData
>>
>> I thought it would be best to point to something out there.  However
>> it is true that the comparison is apples to oranges.  Are you
>> suggesting removing the references to GData and GBase?  I don't mind,
>> I thought it would help to show people that realtime is in widespread
>> usage somewhere.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Otis Gospodnetic
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Maybe it's just terminology, but to me GData is like RMI - something that
>> facilitates transport.  If Google had a system that's not real-time (i.e. you
>> add something and you can't get it to show up in search results immediately)
>> they could still be using GData with that system for indexing, querying, etc.
>> >
>> > To me brining GData and GBase in the picture confuses things.  You could also
>> compare the real-time Lucene/Solr search goal to "like any normal RDBMS - you
>> INSERT X and you can SELECT X immediately".  Maybe the desire to compare with G*
>> is because it's Google's and is known for search?
>> >
>> >
>> > Otis --
>> > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> From: Jason Rutherglen
>> >> To: java-dev@lucene.apache.org
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:03:50 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Ocean and GData
>> >>
>> >> Hello Otis,
>> >>
>> >> GData and GBase to me sounds like they are short for Google Database.
>> >> The goal with Ocean is to provide a Lucene based search database that
>> >> provides out of the box functionality like the Google Data/Base
>> >> offers.  Unlike MapReduce, there are no infrastructure whitepapers on
>> >> how GData/Base works so I had to make a broad comparison rather than a
>> >> specific one.  Realtime seems like a feature a search database should
>> >> have to qualify as such and so GData is mentioned as the only known
>> >> realtime solution (other than Twitter's Summize with I found out about
>> >> later).  The service Google provides through the GData protocol seems
>> >> to also be referred to as GData, but could simply be called the
>> >> "infrastructure supporting Google's realtime search web services".
>> >>
>> >> Jason
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 1:17 AM, Otis Gospodnetic
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > Here is one thing that's been confusing me.
>> >> http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/OceanRealtimeSearch?highlight=(GData)
>> often
>> >> mentions GData and relates it to real-time search (to Ocean), as if it is
>> GData
>> >> that provides real-time search functionality.  But isn't GData simply a
>> >> communication protocol (Atom with some custom additions by Google)?  If
so,
>> are
>> >> statements like "Ocean addresses this by providing the same functionality
as
>> >> GData open sourced for use in any project" really correct?  If GData is
just
>> a
>> >> communication protocol, and Ocean is really primarily the search engine
that
>> is
>> >> capable of real-time search, then is it really correct to compare Ocean
with
>> >> GData?  My feeling is that the thinking is:
>> >> > "When I access Google's databases using GData I can see my changes
to those
>> >> databases immediately".
>> >> > But that doesn't make GData this real-time thing, but rather the backend,
>> no?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Please enlighten me if I'm misunderstanding what GData is.  Thanks,
>> >> >
>> >> > Otis
>> >> > --
>> >> > Sematext -- http://sematext.com/ -- Lucene - Solr - Nutch
>> >> >
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