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From Grant Ingersoll <>
Subject Re: Results (Re: Survey: Lucene and Java 1.4 vs. 1.5)
Date Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:22:42 GMT
To me, I am just as likely to make contributions in 1.4 as I am 1.5 and 
I am running 1.5 in my daily life.  I just don't find it all that hard 
to do 1.4 for Lucene since IntelliJ allows me to set my compiler version 
for the Lucene project and then forget about it, going about creating my 
patches.  This is, after all, what we have been doing up until now.  
Sure there are a lot of benefits to 1.5 for coding, but I still plan on 
helping out even if we decide not to go to 1.5. 

Having said that, I think the versioning argument that Otis and others 
have made makes a lot of sense.  I think stating that 2.0.x is the last 
1.4 release is reasonable and that if there are people interested in 
maintaining branches then we should work to get them commit rights on 
those branches (is that even possible????) so that they can backport 
changes to 1.4 if they want.  And of course the code is always available 
such that one can maintain their own copy for their company.  This is 
something I have had to do from time to time as I waited for patches to 
be applied and it is not the end of the world. 

As has been stressed a number of times 2.1 is not likely for some time 
(at least based on our previous release history).  In the meantime 
people can prepare for the switch.  After all, how many 1.4 users are 
actually using the Trunk of Lucene versus some know release?

My two cents,

Chuck Williams wrote:
> I think Otis put things perfectly and would like to second everything
> he's said.
> This is about facilitating more contributions from the majority vs.
> creating a version that the minority can use.  To answer Otis's
> question, "How small does the percentage of 1.4 users need to be, before
> we can have 1.5 in Lucene?", I think there are some other factors that
> need to be considered.
> How many contributors to Lucene are generating contributions out of work
> they are doing for their companies or other vocations, submitting these
> to Lucene to achieve the benefits of community
> usage/maintenance/enhancement, and using 1.5 as their daily environment?
> My suspicion is that while the user ratio may be 2:1 1.5:1.4 that the
> contributor ratio is even more skewed in favor of 1.5.  One of the
> reasons I suspect this is that the 1.4 users who have spoken up thus far
> do not seem to fully appreciate the volunteer-contribution model of the
> Lucene community (e.g., see the thread below).  I think it is safe to
> assume that potential contributors will be less motivated if they are
> forced to back port their code.

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