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From "Robert Engels" <>
Subject RE: Committers: IntelliJ IDEA for open source developers
Date Tue, 08 Feb 2005 00:19:22 GMT
Move up to an IDE... especially when there is at least one very good one
(eclipse) available for free. "Mucking" up the source-code just to support
those developers living in the dark ages doesn't seem prudent.

Having comments as to what jar resolves an import is also nearly impossible,
since this will actually be determined as runtime based on classloaders,
classpath, etc. Even the IDE will not report this correctly as the 'runtime'
configuration is in many cases different from the 'development' time

Many "modern" software development methodologies require sufficient tools to
support the process. The idea of "continually" refactoring the code almost
certainly requires an IDE, or an advanced editor that has IDE-like
capabilities (I believe there are several Java "editors" that support code

Proper use of project defaults limits the problems when using CVS for team
development, as the code can be formatted/processed according to the project
default before commits/comparisons.

Sorry to all, since these comments are not Lucene related, but since one of
the original posters is a Lucene "heavyweight", I continued along...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Park []
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:09 PM
To: Lucene Developers List
Subject: Re: Committers: IntelliJ IDEA for open source developers

Sure, and for those poor folks who don't use an IDE, your suggestion
would be...?

Robert Engels wrote:
> Some would argue that conventions like yours should NOT be allowed
> (supported), since it makes maintenance a nightmare. Much better to just
> hover of the import statement and let the IDE tell you where it was found
> (makes finding/using different implementation jars much easier).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: []
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:19 PM
> To: Lucene Developers List
> Subject: Re: Committers: IntelliJ IDEA for open source developers
> My addition to Eclipse lies in all the free plugins I can
> get just by using a menu item from the Help menu. Actually,
> I've never touched IntelliJ, though the freebee aspect
> makes me tempted. One thing I *don't* like about IntelliJ
> is the fact that, in Eclipse, I put comments in the import
> statments telling which jar file to look in, and IntelliJ
> *loves* to reformat files in its own image, tossing out my
> comments. Collab development using cvs or other version
> control system can be hazzardous to your mental health.
> Jack
> On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 16:12:51 -0500
>  Erik Hatcher <> wrote:
>>I'm a recovering IntelliJ addict.  I decided to give
>>Eclipse a very good try and do not mind it as much as I
>>thought I would.  I'm now fluent in both and can honestly
>>say I'm on the fence.  IntelliJ feels so much nicer and
>>faster (on a Mac, mind you), yet Eclipse has a lot of
>>conveniences also.  I still lean towards IntelliJ myself,
>>but have a healthier respect for Eclipse than ever.
>>	Erik
>>On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:50 PM, <>
>>>Where I work, some of us use Eclipse, which is nearly as
>>>powerful as IntelliJ and totally free, and some of us
>>>IntelliJ (the expensive version). Those of us used to
>>>Eclipse see no need to change, and those using IntelliJ,
>>>well, something about ripping objects from cold dead
>>>On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 14:30:07 -0500
>>> Erik Hatcher <> wrote:
>>>>I know Doug wrote Lucene with emacs.  But I prefer an
>>>>where I can "surf" around the codebase, and many of the
>>>>other Lucene committers may also.  So here is your
>>>>to get IDEA for free:

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