Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FF3200C41 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:26:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id A62A8160B84; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id C71B1160B8A for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:26:50 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 57651 invoked by uid 500); 9 Mar 2017 16:26:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact log4net-dev-help@logging.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: "Log4NET Dev" List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list log4net-dev@logging.apache.org Received: (qmail 57249 invoked by uid 99); 9 Mar 2017 16:26:49 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:26:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 13A88C0370; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:26:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.72 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.72 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=2.42] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WghgAaovlP4n; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp687.redcondor.net (smtp687.redcondor.net [208.80.206.87]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 215885F647; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 16:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailproxy10.neonova.net ([137.118.22.75]) by smtp687.redcondor.net ({f50aeeea-7a14-4dd3-bdda-1246754c15b3}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20170309162645804_0687; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:26:45 +0000 X-RC-FROM: Received: from [10.9.100.106] (unknown [208.93.128.118]) (Authenticated sender: ralph.goers@dslextreme.com) by mailproxy10.neonova.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C153F3601D3; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:26:36 -0500 (EST) From: Ralph Goers Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_241E8B38-2F2D-4B28-8645-5803B92E159A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Subject: [Discuss][VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 09:26:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Log4J Developers List , Logging General , Log4Net Developers List , log4php-dev@logging.apache.org, log4cxx-dev@logging.apache.org To: Logging PMC References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) X-DLP-OUTBOUND: 137.118.22.64/27 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: greymail.redcondor.net@137.118.22.64/27 archived-at: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:26:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_241E8B38-2F2D-4B28-8645-5803B92E159A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are = =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t think that changes much = however. =46rom a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s = lists separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things = that would need to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. Ralph > On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner = wrote: >=20 > The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so = that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to = summarize the current state of the vote: >=20 > log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> = dev@logging.apache.org > Matt Sicker: +1 > Ralph Goers: +1 > Stefan Bodewig: +1 > Sven Rautenverg: -1 > Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 > Ivan Habunek: -0 > Dominik Psenner: +1 > Remko Popma: +1 > Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0 >=20 > Totals so far: > +1: 5 > +0: 1 > -0: 2 > -1: 1 >=20 > log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> = user@logging.apache.org >=20 > Matt Sicker: -1 > Ralph Goers: +1 > Stefan Bodewig: -1 > Sven Rautenverg: -1 > Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 > Ivan Habunek: -0 > Dominik Psenner: +1 > Remko Popma: +1 > Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1 >=20 > Totals so far: > +1: 3 > +0: 0 > -0: 2 > -1: 4 > Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >=20 > On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to = half of them less than five minutes ago. >>=20 >> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing = lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >>=20 >> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> = dev@logging.apache.org >> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> = user@logging.apache.org >>=20 >> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >>=20 >> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases = for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To = distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >>=20 >> [java] >> [net] >> [cxx] >> [php] >>=20 >> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help = in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >>=20 >> Voting: >>=20 >> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >>=20 >> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, = no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be = open for at least 72 hours. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Matt Sicker > >=20 --Apple-Mail=_241E8B38-2F2D-4B28-8645-5803B92E159A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
You should note that while we consider all = votes only PMC votes are =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t = think that changes much however.

=46rom a PMC perspective I have to say = that keeping the user=E2=80=99s lists separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to = be an issue as most of the things that would need to be discussed would = be on a dev list anyway.

Ralph

On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner = <dpsenner@gmail.com> wrote:

=20 =20

The = votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the current state of the vote:

log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, =
log4cxx-dev@ -> dev@logging.apache.org

Matt Sicker: +1
Ralph Goers: +1
Stefan Bodewig: +1
Sven Rautenverg: -1
Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
Ivan Habunek: -0
Dominik Psenner: +1
Remko Popma: +1
Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0

Totals so far:
+1: 5
+0: 1
-0: 2
-1: 1

log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, =
log4cxx-user@, general@ -> user@logging.apache.org

Matt Sicker: -1
Ralph Goers: +1
Stefan Bodewig: -1
Sven Rautenverg: -1
Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
Ivan Habunek: -0
Dominik Psenner: +1
Remko Popma: +1
Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1

Totals so far:
+1: 3
+0: 0
-0: 2
-1: 4
Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.

On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker = wrote:
I may be missing some mailing lists = considering I just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago.

This is a vote to merge the various Apache = Logging Services mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as = follows:

log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, = log4cxx-dev@ -> dev@logging.apache.org
log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, = log4cxx-user@, general@ -> user@logging.apache.org

commits@ and private@ remain the same as = before.

The proposal would also suggest that the old = emails become aliases for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:

[java]
[net]
[cxx]
[php]

Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, = though it should help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.

Voting:

+1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
+0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
-0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
-1: No, don't do that! I have a better = idea!

This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at = least 3 +1 binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.

--
Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>


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