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From Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@
Date Wed, 08 Mar 2017 05:07:16 GMT
The -1 thing is mentioned here <https://logging.apache.org/guidelines.html>
regarding a -1 being a veto for anything consensus-related (generally
anything to do with adding or removing committers/PMCs). I suppose in that
context, a mailing list change probably falls under lazy majority, though
whatever it is we're doing at Commons for lazy votes isn't on that page.

On 7 March 2017 at 22:59, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> Note that generally a -1 is a veto only on code commits. On everything
> else it just means you are against the proposal. However, we generally
> strive for consensus so great weight is given to binding votes that are
> opposed.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Mar 7, 2017, at 9:23 PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is my +1.
>
> If this is the incorrect voting format and we need to do a 2/3 majority
> instead, please veto this and let me know. This situation is not spelled
> out in the bylaws.
>
> On 7 March 2017 at 22:20, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half
>> of them less than five minutes ago.
>>
>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing
>> lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows:
>>
>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ ->
>> dev@logging.apache.org
>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ ->
>> user@logging.apache.org
>>
>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.
>>
>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for
>> the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To
>> distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:
>>
>> [java]
>> [net]
>> [cxx]
>> [php]
>>
>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in
>> gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.
>>
>> Voting:
>>
>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea!
>>
>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no
>> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open
>> for at least 72 hours.
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>>
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> --
> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
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