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From Douglas E Wegscheid <Douglas_E_Wegsch...@whirlpool.com>
Subject Re: AW: Newbie questions
Date Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:54:03 GMT
...and our learnings...

1) don't edit down the facts too far when asking for help. You may edit 
out essential information, or get potentially helpful people to 
concentrate on a different problem.

2) find a nice way to say RTFM. Calling a question "stupid" onlist and 
implying that posting a question is a waste of time is not a good way to 
come across as helpful.

Douglas E Wegscheid
Lead Technical Analyst, Whirlpool Corporation

"A wrong note played hesitatingly is a wrong note. A wrong note played 
with conviction is interpretation."

John El <johnl@mailinator.com> wrote on 04/09/2009 11:32:36 PM:

> To: Edward
> Perhaps I did get bent out of shape, but I do think my question had 
> I suppose my mistake was in not explaining that there was no obvious 
> for the fatal log to go, but it had to be going somewhere because 
> system that I don't have access to was reporting on it. 
> RTFM?  And non trivial? I had looked in a lot of places for some info on
> this and found nothing, I posted here for some help and was told the
> question was dumb.
> To: Douglas
> I ran some similar tests, it's how I added the string that I grep'ed 
> "I would be inclined to think that a different configuration
> was getting picked up"  that's what I thought too, but it turned out to 
be a
> little more complicated than that.  I was finally able to track down the 
> that set it up in the first place and his explanation was convoluted. 
> a very clever set up, but, in a lot of ways it's too clever, and 
> un-documented. I'd like to tell you but then I'll just get more posts 
> 'oh, of course that's how it was done! I could have told you that'.  I 
> bad for not telling you but it was hard work figuring it, if it comes up 
> someone else, I'll leave it to be hard work for them.
> To: Daniel
> "MAYBE the person should read up on the basics first?"
> Like I said above I looked everywhere for an explanation of this, 
perhaps it
> is basic, but I still haven't found any documentation on this kind of 
> up.
> "If you want to run without an appender fine.  You could even try to run
> log4j with no setup, or even no downloaded jars... don't expect it to 
> well though."
> Again, the system runs, the motorcycle has gas and an engine, it has a 
> up, it has downloaded jars and it's not coasting down a hill.  It works. 
> To: Matt
> This was just a snippet, I could have posted the whole file but I think 
> would have got the same response.  The rest of the file declares some
> appenders, and categories but nothing that obviously directs to the 
> log.  Thanks for the link. It is actually one of my main resources.
> To: Bender Henri
> I know you think my question was dumb, and a waste of your time because 
> think I didn't research it enough. I think you're wrong. As far as I can
> tell my situation is not in the documentation. If I ever find it in the 
> I'll post it and eat crow.
> To: All
> I'm very sorry to have wasted your time.
> I just didn't understand how it could possibly work without all the 
> things that the documentation says is required.
> Now I do.
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