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From Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: MessageLayout
Date Tue, 04 Apr 2017 07:20:55 GMT
Roger that! Thank you all for your comments. Flume with unique keys it is.

Gary

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

> Again, if you use an async logger you will lose whatever is in the memory
> buffer when the server stops or crashes. If you log directly to Flume you
> are guaranteed that the audit event is written when the logging call
> returns and your application can count on that.
>
> The only thing you really need to be aware of is that in an HA
> configuration it is possible to end up with multiple instances of the event
> in the final repository so you need to make sure your events include a
> unique key that can be used to remove duplicates.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Matt. With the Flume appender, do I still need to use an async
> logger to get the best perf?
>
> Gary
>
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 8:31 PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Clarifications: other than the file appenders, the flume appender is
>> probably the most reliable appender.
>>
>> And for the direct appender config, that's also with fully async loggers.
>> I've been considering putting together a small blog post about the most
>> efficient log4j2.xml configurations.
>>
>> On 3 April 2017 at 22:01, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Flume appender can persist messages within the same process to files
>>> before sending them to other agents. I don't think any other appender can
>>> guarantee that.
>>>
>>> Personally, I've been using direct console appenders lately and using
>>> graylog to slurp stdout on docker containers, but I'm not the one who set
>>> all that up. Either way, the most reliable way to log things outside of
>>> files is Flume.
>>>
>>> On 3 April 2017 at 19:45, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait a sec. A JMS provider can guarantee message delivery. How can
>>>> events be lost once they are in the provider? Are you saying that using an
>>>> async logger is 'unsafe' because the events in the ring buffer go away if
>>>> the JVM goes down?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally I want to publish and forget, with the publish part
>>>> asynchronous, call the API, and it returns right away.
>>>>
>>>> Is there no way to do that with our JMS Appender?
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What’s the point though when all you have to do is specify the pattern
>>>>> layout with “%m%ex{none}”?
>>>>>
>>>>> How can you do auditing with the async logger? You may lose events
>>>>> with that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your use case is exactly why I wrote the FlumeAppender. It is very
>>>>> much like JMS but a whole lot faster and guarantees events aren’t lost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. I want to post to JMS message objects I've serialized to JSON.
>>>>> All I care about is the message.
>>>>>
>>>>> I log these events to a specially named logger with a specially named
>>>>> marker. These are the only events that should be published to JMS (I
use a
>>>>> filter and the one marker). I am in charge of the message format and
it is
>>>>> consumed on the other JMS side by a specialized agent which I also control.
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, I am using the Log4j infrastructure as the simplest way to send
>>>>> custom messages over to JMS. These are not traditional logging events,
>>>>> rather a kind of auditing system. I leverage the Log4j async logger as
>>>>> well. No need to deal with the JMS API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, exceptions are swallowed and no newlines are rendered?
>>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>> What's the use case?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2017, at 7:30, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am considering a new layout called "MessageLayout" which would
be
>>>>>> synonymous with:<PatternLayout pattern="%m" />. Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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