Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D098200C41 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:45:03 +0100 (CET) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 3B883160B5F; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id D62DF160B75 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 18:45:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 3593 invoked by uid 500); 9 Mar 2017 17:45:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact log4j-dev-help@logging.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Log4J Developers List" Reply-To: "Log4J Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list log4j-dev@logging.apache.org Received: (qmail 3541 invoked by uid 99); 9 Mar 2017 17:45:00 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:45:00 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 76769186147; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:45:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.68 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.68 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qHTakzb5zTuI; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f49.google.com (mail-lf0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id D28345F64B; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 17:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j90so31403721lfk.2; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:44:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=H90l87pYrpGnkjYDPQvr76eGR2F2joRneUU7TcCDfnA=; b=MUPeKIDn4Kj1M1WqWtQKPjc96hLsE31JN1wLaWpsekQ+9t9HRkTIgq+vqn4fQfMM/I WTES6qCoP4Kwzch8NPlbHrmgqsUfd4z/azBqfBmppiJQ0T74OYPUfIsWRuZurDfCruNI Od7WT7Uemmp4ijuxnd4o3J6MpJ/25BfhIMKXDmoJ/kX0miU00zTDy3sl7i10I3n10cBO owkIQXCd9FawZOfqqX60sHZBFD5T6PUMVvA1kLF0EXmCTWamZVFLebdhPgNntUXYY9h4 BbycuH9arEHb7fx7cYbNME0XlXzHUYEj/sHPVjYLiIozIyJz4n4khwSODSmQypwufvjI uXow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=H90l87pYrpGnkjYDPQvr76eGR2F2joRneUU7TcCDfnA=; b=llurEt/miYhCzz8bpMunr3Ws+uXwDDSsDyEUlhPnjqsPODEo06ZsUWBj2vtKBYuGnx 2LANWB9ILF8pw0s5stywdfW8nlTSxqkQ9+Gdp993hX/Okj6fB7EEGK+1hgIJsy+9bNqa 7nRYh/9c6h2qWv6T0b8wRG/Iuzue62PwZNhIYw9N3QetlM5HLBhLfkhO5+pFkhcgAXeL KylHRYWr4UI2Gjl3aQWVDRL/utQLYokL17l8axnTq2ea/O8jSGKNnzrFRBJQD7EjKff1 YAz6jZWc5z9f8CtHRbFqY8FKAGo38iMZTKmtjUd84aYylgTCKKw5uk0MOioQlleCP94M wRZg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFeK/H0tFtJP90Oxd3X74lKiRjECw8Dz1DV6MedPd3J6yG7ptmPg97uGmq9ERA6vJEUcbGdTNsQE4O1+JC0O9g== X-Received: by 10.46.21.94 with SMTP id 30mr363311ljv.118.1489081020977; Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:37:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.158.76 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Mar 2017 09:37:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Matt Sicker Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:37:00 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@ To: Log4J Developers List Cc: Logging PMC , Logging General , Log4Net Developers List , log4php-dev@logging.apache.org, log4cxx-dev@logging.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c1cda684c19fd054a4fb1e8 archived-at: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 17:45:03 -0000 --94eb2c1cda684c19fd054a4fb1e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what that list is for). On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers wrote: > You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are > =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t think that changes much howeve= r. > > From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s list= s > separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things that w= ould need > to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. > > Ralph > > On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner wrote: > > The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that = I > didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the > current state of the vote: > > log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> dev@logging.apach= e.org > > Matt Sicker: +1 > Ralph Goers: +1 > Stefan Bodewig: +1 > Sven Rautenverg: -1 > Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 > Ivan Habunek: -0 > Dominik Psenner: +1 > Remko Popma: +1 > Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0 > > Totals so far: > +1: 5 > +0: 1 > -0: 2 > -1: 1 > > log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> use= r@logging.apache.org > > Matt Sicker: -1 > Ralph Goers: +1 > Stefan Bodewig: -1 > Sven Rautenverg: -1 > Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 > Ivan Habunek: -0 > Dominik Psenner: +1 > Remko Popma: +1 > Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1 > > Totals so far: > +1: 3 > +0: 0 > -0: 2 > -1: 4 > > Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. > > On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: > > I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half > of them less than five minutes ago. > > This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing lists= . > The proposal is to combine them as follows: > > log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> > dev@logging.apache.org > log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> > user@logging.apache.org > > commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. > > The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for th= e > combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish > between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: > > [java] > [net] > [cxx] > [php] > > Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in > gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. > > Voting: > > +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! > +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. > -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. > -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! > > This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no > -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open > for at least 72 hours. > > -- > Matt Sicker > > > > --=20 Matt Sicker --94eb2c1cda684c19fd054a4fb1e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as i= t doesn't cause any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we = should merge the dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for al= l devs to subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don&#= 39;t know what that list is for).

On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <ralp= h.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
You should note that while we = consider all votes only PMC votes are =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2= =80=99t think that changes much however.

From a PM= C perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s lists separate = isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need t= o be discussed would be on a dev list anyway.
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Ralph

On Mar 9, 2017, at = 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsenner@gmail.com> wrote:

=20 =20 =20

The votes are way too scatte= red over the different mailing lists so that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm try= ing to summarize the current state of the vote:

log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> dev@logging.apache.org

Matt = Sicker: +1
Ralph Goers: +1
Stefan Bodewig: +1
Sven Rautenverg: -1
Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
Ivan Habunek: -0
Dominik Psenner: +1
Remko Popma: +1
Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0

Totals so far:
+1: 5
+0: 1
-0: 2
-1: 1

log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@=
 -> user@logging.apache.org

Matt Sicker: -1
Ralph Goers: +1
Stefan Bodewig: -1
Sven Rautenverg: -1
Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
Ivan Habunek: -0
Dominik Psenner: +1
Remko Popma: +1
Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1

Totals so far:
+1: 3
+0: 0
-0: 2
-1: 4
Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.

On 2017-03-08 05:2= 0, Matt Sicker wrote:
I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago.

This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows:
log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> user@logging.apache.org

commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.

The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:

[java]
[net]
[cxx]
[php]

Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.

Voting:

+1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
+0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
-0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
-1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea!

This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at leas= t 3 +1 binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.

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