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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > I thought we/you were going to cut an alpha release? > > Gary > On Jan 12, 2016 8:24 AM, "Mikael St=C3=A5ldal" > wrote: > >> So where are we on this? >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal < >> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >> >>> Sounds good then. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralph Goers >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Sure. >>>> >>>> Ralph >>>> >>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Can it still depend on log4-api version 2.5 then? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Ralph Goers < >>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I=E2=80=99d actually suggest using a version that has nothing to do w= ith >>>>> Log4j=E2=80=99s versioning at this point. For example 0.9 is a great = way to let >>>>> people know it isn=E2=80=99t GA. >>>>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Matt Sicker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure you can use different versions for different modules. >>>>> We just keep the same version across the project. Making it 2.5-beta1 >>>>> sounds fine to me. >>>>> >>>>> On 14 December 2015 at 03:00, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal < >>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My intention is to make a public release, which is easily accessible >>>>>> (binaries through Maven central), but mark it as preview somehow to = be able >>>>>> to get some feedback before we commit to a final API. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would prefer if we could use the same group and artifact names as >>>>>> in the final, but include something in the version which marks it as >>>>>> preview. Such as "2.5-beta1" >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Ralph Goers < >>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe I could run the release plugin against just his module, >>>>>>> but I have never tried that. Or the process could be done manually. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Remko Popma >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought Mikael's intention was to make the scala module part of >>>>>>> the next release, while somehow marking it as experimental so that = we can >>>>>>> still make changes to the API depending on user feedback. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't mind either way, but is there any way to release only the >>>>>>> scala module? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Remko >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 14:56, Ralph Goers >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it builds by default it will be part of the next release, which = I >>>>>>> am not certain is assured yet. I think that is why he wants to rel= ease it >>>>>>> separately. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Remko Popma >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm assuming that Mikael has verified some use cases on the dev >>>>>>> branch, so it should be okay to build this module by default. No ne= ed for >>>>>>> setting up a separate profile AFAIC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 9:43, Ralph Goers >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That seems like a bit of a pain. It would be better to specify the >>>>>>> classifier as experimental but you can=E2=80=99t do that in the pom= as I recall. I >>>>>>> think you have to specify the project as of type pom and then use t= he maven >>>>>>> helper plugin to attach it as an artifact with a classifier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OTOH, the artifact name could be log4j-scala-experimental. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Gary Gregory >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Should the package name include ".experimental." ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Ralph Goers < >>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is true. In fact, we could add an =E2=80=9Cexperimental" pro= file to >>>>>>>> the parent pom that has the experimental modules in it. They would= n=E2=80=99t have >>>>>>>> to build by default. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Remko Popma >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why not just put it on master and _document_ it as "experimental, >>>>>>>> feedback requested". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That way we simply use our existing release process and instead of >>>>>>>> 2.5.1, our next release would be 2.6. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 3:05, Ralph Goers >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With SVN we had a separate branch for experimental stuff. In fact= , >>>>>>>> that is where Log4j 2 originated. I am not sure how to do the sam= e thing >>>>>>>> with git. If you have an account at github you could put the proj= ect >>>>>>>> there. But we really can=E2=80=99t publish anything officially fro= m there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you have a proposal on how to do this please let us know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal < >>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not really know that it means to do RM stuff for Log4j. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it would be enough to release the Scala modules, and let >>>>>>>> them depend on Log4j API 2.5, if that is possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seems fine with me. Label it 2.6-beta1? Mikael, are you feeling u= p >>>>>>>>> to trying your hand at RM duties? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Should we release just these Scala modules as 2.6-beta1 or the >>>>>>>>> whole suite? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal < >>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So can we release some Scala API preview now when 2.5 is out? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015 6:05 AM, "Ralph Goers" < >>>>>>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > It would make more sense to me to release the scala beta as a >>>>>>>>>>> single separate module. Then integrate it once you are sure. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Speaking of a release I am happy to start the release today i= f >>>>>>>>>>> we are ready. I just want to review the delete stuff Remko jus= t added. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Ralph >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> Maybe we could release 2.5 ASAP and the do a 2.6-beta _at th= e >>>>>>>>>>> same time_ with the Scala modules. >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Dec 4, 2015 6:31 AM, "Mikael St=C3=A5ldal" < >>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> How should we proceed on this? It would be good to be able >>>>>>>>>>> to release some beta or preview version of this and get some fe= edback from >>>>>>>>>>> Scala developers before we make the API final. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Ralph Goers < >>>>>>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> The artifact name does not have to match the directory >>>>>>>>>>> name. However, we were advised that they should or else some of= the Maven >>>>>>>>>>> plugins might have problems. I think the site plugin was one of= them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Ralph >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Matt Sicker >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I know you can change the artifact name via o= r >>>>>>>>>>> something like that. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On 29 October 2015 at 15:52, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> It does in all the maven projects i know. I think certai= n >>>>>>>>>>> maven behaviors relies on this... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015 1:21 PM, "Matt Sicker" >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The folder name doesn't have to match the module name I >>>>>>>>>>> thought. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 October 2015 at 04:23, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal < >>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, look at branch LOG4J-1181 in Git. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My plan is to add log4j-scala_2.10 as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right, so the Maven module folder name will be like >>>>>>>>>>> that too, right? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal = < >>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, Scala does not maintain binary compatibility >>>>>>>>>>> between major versions. There is a convention for encoding this= into Maven >>>>>>>>>>> artifact IDs, it will be: "log4j-scala_2.10", "log4j-scala_2.11= " etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Matt Sicker < >>>>>>>>>>> boards@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Looks like it could be handy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 26 October 2015 at 12:29, Gary Gregory < >>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I keep on hearing that Scala suffers from a lot >>>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues from version to version. Would is make sen= se to tag on >>>>>>>>>>> a version to the module to account for this, like log4j-scala-2= .11.7? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5l= dal < >>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of making a log4j module, >>>>>>>>>>> "log4j-scala", with a Scala wrapper for Log4j 2, inspired from >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/typesafehub/scala-logging >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that make sense? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior software developer >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Magine TV >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regeringsgatan 25 | 111 53 Stockholm, Sweden | >>>>>>>>>>> www.magine.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be >>>>>>>>>>> contained in this message. 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Yes, but I am not really sure about how to do a release.

On Tue, Jan 1= 2, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought we/you= were going to cut an alpha release?

Gary

On Jan 12, 2016 8:24 AM, "Mikael St=C3=A5ld= al" <mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
So where are we on this?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at= 6:21 PM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
Sounds good= then.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@ds= lextreme.com> wrote:
Sure.

Ralph

On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal <<= a href=3D"mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com" target=3D"_blank">mikael.stalda= l@magine.com> wrote:

Can it still dep= end on log4-api version 2.5 then?


On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Ralph= Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
I=E2=80= =99d actually suggest using a version that has nothing to do with Log4j=E2= =80=99s versioning at this point. For example 0.9 is a great way to let peo= ple know it isn=E2=80=99t GA.

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On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:

=
I'm pretty sure you can use different ve= rsions for different modules. We just keep the same version across the proj= ect. Making it 2.5-beta1 sounds fine to me.

On 14 December 2015 at 03:00, Mika= el St=C3=A5ldal=C2=A0<mikael.staldal@magine.com&g= t;=C2=A0wrote:
My = intention is to make a public release, which is easily accessible (binaries= through Maven central), but mark it as preview somehow to be able to get s= ome feedback before we commit to a final API.

I would pr= efer if we could use the same group and artifact names as in the final, but= include something in the version which marks it as preview. Such as "= 2.5-beta1"

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Ralph Goers=C2= =A0<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>=C2=A0<= /span>wrote:
I believe I could r= un the release plugin against just his module, but I have never tried that.= Or the process could be done manually.

Sent from my iPad
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On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com> w= rote:

I thought Mikael'= ;s intention was to make the scala module part of the next release, while s= omehow marking it as experimental so that we can still make changes to the = API depending on user feedback.=C2=A0

I don't = mind either way, but is there any way to release only the scala module?

Remko=C2=A0

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= On 2015/12/12, at 14:56, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
=
If it builds by default it wi= ll be part of the next release, which I am not certain is assured yet.=C2= =A0 I think that is why he wants to release it separately.

Ralph

On Dec 11, 2015= , at 8:21 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm assuming that Mikael has verified some use cases on = the dev branch, so it should be okay to build this module by default. No ne= ed for setting up a separate profile AFAIC.=C2=A0

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On 2015/12/12, at 9:43, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com= > wrote:

That seems lik= e a bit of a pain. It would be better to specify the classifier as experime= ntal but you can=E2=80=99t do that in the pom as I recall. I think you have= to specify the project as of type pom and then use the maven helper plugin= to attach it as an artifact with a classifier.

OT= OH, the artifact name could be log4j-scala-experimental.

Ralph

On Dec 11, 2015, = at 5:28 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:

Should the package name include ".experimental." ?

Gary

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Ralph Goers=C2=A0<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>=C2=A0wrote:
That i= s true.=C2=A0 In fact, we could add an =E2=80=9Cexperimental" profile = to the parent pom that has the experimental modules in it. They wouldn=E2= =80=99t have to build by default.
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On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com> w= rote:

Why not just put it on master an= d _document_ it as "experimental, feedback requested".=C2=A0

That way we simply use our existing release process an= d instead of 2.5.1, our next release would be 2.6.=C2=A0

Sent from m= y iPhone

On 2015/12/12, at 3:05, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.= com> wrote:

With SV= N we had a separate branch for experimental stuff.=C2=A0 In fact, that is w= here Log4j 2 originated.=C2=A0 I am not sure how to do the same thing with = git.=C2=A0 If you have an account at github you could put the project there= . But we really can=E2=80=99t publish anything officially from there.
=

If you have a proposal on how to do this please let us = know.

Ralph

On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com<= /a>> wrote:

I do not really know that it = means to do RM stuff for Log4j.

I think it would be enou= gh to release the Scala modules, and let them depend on Log4j API 2.5, if t= hat is possible.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory=C2=A0= <garydgregory@gmail.com>=C2=A0wrote:
Seems fine with me. Label it 2.6-beta1? Mik= ael, are you feeling up to trying your hand at RM duties?

Should we release just these Scala modules as 2.6-beta1 or the whole suit= e?

Gary

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal=C2=A0<= /span><mikael.staldal@magine.com>=C2=A0= wrote:
So can we release some Scala AP= I preview now when 2.5 is out?

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Gary Gregory=C2=A0= <garydgregory@gmail.com>=C2=A0wrote= :

On Dec 5, 2015 6:05 AM, "Ra= lph Goers" <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> It would= make more sense to me to release the scala beta as a single separate modul= e. Then integrate it once you are sure.

+1

Gary


>
> Speaking of a release I am happy to start the rel= ease today if we are ready.=C2=A0 I just want to review the delete stuff Re= mko just added.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:= 45 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe we= could release 2.5 ASAP and the do a 2.6-beta _at the same time_ with the S= cala modules.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> On Dec 4= , 2015 6:31 AM, "Mikael St=C3=A5ldal" <mikael.staldal@magine.com> w= rote:
>>>
>>> How should we proceed on this? It wou= ld be good to be able to release some beta or preview version of this and g= et some feedback from Scala developers before we make the API final.
>= ;>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:10 AM, Ralph Goers <= ralph.goers= @dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The = artifact name does not have to match the directory name. However, we were a= dvised that they should or else some of the Maven plugins might have proble= ms. I think the site plugin was one of them.
>>>>
>>= ;>> Ralph
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015= , at 1:56 PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>= ;>>> I know you can change the artifact name via <finalName>= or something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> On= 29 October 2015 at 15:52, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>&= gt;>>>>
>>>>>> It does in all the maven pr= ojects i know. I think certain maven behaviors relies on this...
>>= ;>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>&= gt;
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015 1:21 PM, "Matt Sicker&= quot; <boards@gmai= l.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>= ;>> The folder name doesn't have to match the module name I thoug= ht.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 O= ctober 2015 at 04:23, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:<= br>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes= , look at branch LOG4J-1181 in Git.
>>>>>>>>
= >>>>>>>> My plan is to add log4j-scala_2.10 as well= .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> O= n Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
= >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>= ; Right, so the Maven module folder name will be like that too, right?
&= gt;>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>= Gary
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>&g= t;>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal <mikael.staldal@magi= ne.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>&g= t;>>>>>>>> Yes, Scala does not maintain binary comp= atibility between major versions. There is a convention for encoding this i= nto Maven artifact IDs, it will be: "log4j-scala_2.10", "log= 4j-scala_2.11" etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>= ;>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Matt= Sicker <boards@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
&= gt;>>>>>>>>>> Looks like it could be handy.>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>&= gt;>>>> On 26 October 2015 at 12:29, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com= > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>= >>>>>>>>>>> I keep on hearing that Scala s= uffers from a lot compatibility issues from version to version. Would is ma= ke sense to tag on a version to the module to account for this, like log4j-= scala-2.11.7?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>&g= t;>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>= >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>= ; On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Mikael St=C3=A5ldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
&g= t;>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of making = a log4j module, "log4j-scala", with a Scala wrapper for Log4j 2, = inspired from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>= =C2=A0https://github.com/typesafehub/scala-logging
>>&g= t;>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>&= gt;>>>>> Would that make sense?
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