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From Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com>
Subject Re: Log4j for Scala
Date Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:49:58 GMT
In branch LOG4J-1181

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

> First off, where is the code right now?
>
> Ralph
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, but I am not really sure about how to do a release.
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I thought we/you were going to cut an alpha release?
>>
>> Gary
>> On Jan 12, 2016 8:24 AM, "Mikael Ståldal" <mikael.staldal@magine.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So where are we on this?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Mikael Ståldal <
>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sounds good then.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralph Goers <
>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Can it still depend on log4-api version 2.5 then?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d actually suggest using a version that has nothing to do with
>>>>>> Log4j’s versioning at this point. For example 0.9 is a great way
to let
>>>>>> people know it isn’t GA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm pretty sure you can use different versions for different modules.
>>>>>> We just keep the same version across the project. Making it 2.5-beta1
>>>>>> sounds fine to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 December 2015 at 03:00, Mikael Ståldal <
>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My intention is to make a public release, which is easily accessible
>>>>>>> (binaries through Maven central), but mark it as preview somehow
to be able
>>>>>>> to get some feedback before we commit to a final API.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would prefer if we could use the same group and artifact names
as
>>>>>>> in the final, but include something in the version which marks
it as
>>>>>>> preview. Such as "2.5-beta1"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe I could run the release plugin against just his
module,
>>>>>>>> but I have never tried that. Or the process could be done
manually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought Mikael's intention was to make the scala module
part of
>>>>>>>> the next release, while somehow marking it as experimental
so that we can
>>>>>>>> still make changes to the API depending on user feedback.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind either way, but is there any way to release
only the
>>>>>>>> scala module?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Remko
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 14:56, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it builds by default it will be part of the next release,
which
>>>>>>>> I am not certain is assured yet.  I think that is why he
wants to release
>>>>>>>> it separately.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm assuming that Mikael has verified some use cases on the
dev
>>>>>>>> branch, so it should be okay to build this module by default.
No need for
>>>>>>>> setting up a separate profile AFAIC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 9:43, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That seems like a bit of a pain. It would be better to specify
the
>>>>>>>> classifier as experimental but you can’t do that in the
pom as I recall. I
>>>>>>>> think you have to specify the project as of type pom and
then use the maven
>>>>>>>> helper plugin to attach it as an artifact with a classifier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OTOH, the artifact name could be log4j-scala-experimental.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should the package name include ".experimental." ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is true.  In fact, we could add an “experimental"
profile to
>>>>>>>>> the parent pom that has the experimental modules in it.
They wouldn’t have
>>>>>>>>> to build by default.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why not just put it on master and _document_ it as "experimental,
>>>>>>>>> feedback requested".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That way we simply use our existing release process and
instead of
>>>>>>>>> 2.5.1, our next release would be 2.6.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 3:05, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With SVN we had a separate branch for experimental stuff.
 In
>>>>>>>>> fact, that is where Log4j 2 originated.  I am not sure
how to do the same
>>>>>>>>> thing with git.  If you have an account at github you
could put the project
>>>>>>>>> there. But we really can’t publish anything officially
from there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have a proposal on how to do this please let us
know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mikael Ståldal <
>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do not really know that it means to do RM stuff for
Log4j.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be enough to release the Scala modules,
and let
>>>>>>>>> them depend on Log4j API 2.5, if that is possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory <
>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Seems fine with me. Label it 2.6-beta1? Mikael, are
you feeling
>>>>>>>>>> up to trying your hand at RM duties?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should we release just these Scala modules as 2.6-beta1
or the
>>>>>>>>>> whole suite?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Mikael Ståldal
<
>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So can we release some Scala API preview now
when 2.5 is out?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Gary Gregory
<
>>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015 6:05 AM, "Ralph Goers" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > It would make more sense to me to release
the scala beta as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> single separate module. Then integrate it
once you are sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Speaking of a release I am happy to
start the release today
>>>>>>>>>>>> if we are ready.  I just want to review the
delete stuff Remko just added.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Gary Gregory
<
>>>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Maybe we could release 2.5 ASAP
and the do a 2.6-beta _at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the same time_ with the Scala modules.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Dec 4, 2015 6:31 AM, "Mikael
Ståldal" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> How should we proceed on this?
It would be good to be able
>>>>>>>>>>>> to release some beta or preview version of
this and get some feedback from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scala developers before we make the API final.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:10
AM, Ralph Goers <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> The artifact name does not
have to match the directory
>>>>>>>>>>>> name. However, we were advised that they
should or else some of the Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins might have problems. I think the
site plugin was one of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at
1:56 PM, Matt Sicker <
>>>>>>>>>>>> boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I know you can change
the artifact name via <finalName>
>>>>>>>>>>>> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On 29 October 2015 at
15:52, Gary Gregory <
>>>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> It does in all the
maven projects i know. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> certain maven behaviors relies on this...
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015
1:21 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boards@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The folder name
doesn't have to match the module name I
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 October
2015 at 04:23, Mikael Ståldal <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, look
at branch LOG4J-1181 in Git.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My plan
is to add log4j-scala_2.10 as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed,
Oct 28, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Gary Gregory <
>>>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right,
so the Maven module folder name will be like
>>>>>>>>>>>> that too, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Oct 28, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Mikael Ståldal <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
Yes, Scala does not maintain binary compatibility
>>>>>>>>>>>> between major versions. There is a convention
for encoding this into Maven
>>>>>>>>>>>> artifact IDs, it will be: "log4j-scala_2.10",
"log4j-scala_2.11" etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Matt Sicker <
>>>>>>>>>>>> boards@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be handy.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
On 26 October 2015 at 12:29, Gary Gregory <
>>>>>>>>>>>> garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
I keep on hearing that Scala suffers from a lot
>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues from version to version.
Would is make sense to tag on
>>>>>>>>>>>> a version to the module to account for this,
like log4j-scala-2.11.7?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Mikael Ståldal <
>>>>>>>>>>>> mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am thinking of making a log4j module,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "log4j-scala", with a Scala wrapper for Log4j
2, inspired from
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/typesafehub/scala-logging
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Would that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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