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From Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
Subject Re: Log4j for Scala
Date Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:43:30 GMT
First off, where is the code right now?

Ralph


> On Jan 12, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but I am not really sure about how to do a release.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> I thought we/you were going to cut an alpha release?
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Jan 12, 2016 8:24 AM, "Mikael Ståldal" <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
> So where are we on this?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
> Sounds good then.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com <mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>>
wrote:
> Sure.
> 
> Ralph
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
>> 
>> Can it still depend on log4-api version 2.5 then?
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com <mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>>
wrote:
>> I’d actually suggest using a version that has nothing to do with Log4j’s versioning
at this point. For example 0.9 is a great way to let people know it isn’t GA.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure you can use different versions for different modules. We just
keep the same version across the project. Making it 2.5-beta1 sounds fine to me.
>>> 
>>> On 14 December 2015 at 03:00, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
>>> My intention is to make a public release, which is easily accessible (binaries
through Maven central), but mark it as preview somehow to be able to get some feedback before
we commit to a final API.
>>> 
>>> I would prefer if we could use the same group and artifact names as in the final,
but include something in the version which marks it as preview. Such as "2.5-beta1"
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
<mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>> I believe I could run the release plugin against just his module, but I have
never tried that. Or the process could be done manually.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 11:44 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com <mailto:remko.popma@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I thought Mikael's intention was to make the scala module part of the next
release, while somehow marking it as experimental so that we can still make changes to the
API depending on user feedback. 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't mind either way, but is there any way to release only the scala module?
>>>> 
>>>> Remko 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 14:56, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com <mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>>
wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If it builds by default it will be part of the next release, which I
am not certain is assured yet.  I think that is why he wants to release it separately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com
<mailto:remko.popma@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm assuming that Mikael has verified some use cases on the dev branch,
so it should be okay to build this module by default. No need for setting up a separate profile
AFAIC. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 9:43, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
<mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That seems like a bit of a pain. It would be better to specify
the classifier as experimental but you can’t do that in the pom as I recall. I think you
have to specify the project as of type pom and then use the maven helper plugin to attach
it as an artifact with a classifier.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OTOH, the artifact name could be log4j-scala-experimental.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com
<mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Should the package name include ".experimental." ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
<mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is true.  In fact, we could add an “experimental"
profile to the parent pom that has the experimental modules in it. They wouldn’t have to
build by default.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Remko Popma <remko.popma@gmail.com
<mailto:remko.popma@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Why not just put it on master and _document_ it as "experimental,
feedback requested". 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That way we simply use our existing release process and
instead of 2.5.1, our next release would be 2.6. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2015/12/12, at 3:05, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
<mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> With SVN we had a separate branch for experimental
stuff.  In fact, that is where Log4j 2 originated.  I am not sure how to do the same thing
with git.  If you have an account at github you could put the project there. But we really
can’t publish anything officially from there.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you have a proposal on how to do this please let
us know.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mikael Ståldal
<mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not really know that it means to do RM stuff
for Log4j.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be enough to release the Scala
modules, and let them depend on Log4j API 2.5, if that is possible.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Gary Gregory
<garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Seems fine with me. Label it 2.6-beta1? Mikael,
are you feeling up to trying your hand at RM duties?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Should we release just these Scala modules as
2.6-beta1 or the whole suite?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Mikael Ståldal
<mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So can we release some Scala API preview now
when 2.5 is out?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Gary Gregory
<garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2015 6:05 AM, "Ralph Goers" <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com
<mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > It would make more sense to me to release
the scala beta as a single separate module. Then integrate it once you are sure.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Speaking of a release I am happy to start
the release today if we are ready.  I just want to review the delete stuff Remko just added.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Dec 5, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Gary Gregory
<garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Maybe we could release 2.5 ASAP and
the do a 2.6-beta _at the same time_ with the Scala modules.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Dec 4, 2015 6:31 AM, "Mikael Ståldal"
<mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> How should we proceed on this? It
would be good to be able to release some beta or preview version of this and get some feedback
from Scala developers before we make the API final.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 1:10 AM,
Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com <mailto:ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> The artifact name does not have
to match the directory name. However, we were advised that they should or else some of the
Maven plugins might have problems. I think the site plugin was one of them.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 1:56
PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I know you can change the
artifact name via <finalName> or something like that.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> On 29 October 2015 at 15:52,
Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> It does in all the maven
projects i know. I think certain maven behaviors relies on this...
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 29, 2015 1:21
PM, "Matt Sicker" <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The folder name
doesn't have to match the module name I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 October 2015
at 04:23, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, look at
branch LOG4J-1181 in Git.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My plan is to
add log4j-scala_2.10 as well.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct
28, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right, so
the Maven module folder name will be like that too, right?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed,
Oct 28, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes,
Scala does not maintain binary compatibility between major versions. There is a convention
for encoding this into Maven artifact IDs, it will be: "log4j-scala_2.10", "log4j-scala_2.11"
etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon,
Oct 26, 2015 at 7:29 PM, Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com <mailto:boards@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
Looks like it could be handy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
On 26 October 2015 at 12:29, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com <mailto:garydgregory@gmail.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
I keep on hearing that Scala suffers from a lot compatibility issues from version to version.
Would is make sense to tag on a version to the module to account for this, like log4j-scala-2.11.7?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
Gary
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.staldal@magine.com <mailto:mikael.staldal@magine.com>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am thinking of making a log4j module, "log4j-scala", with a Scala wrapper for Log4j 2, inspired
from
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/typesafehub/scala-logging <https://github.com/typesafehub/scala-logging>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
Would that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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