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From: "Bart S. (JIRA)" <jira@apache.org>
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Subject: [jira] [Issue Comment Deleted] (LOG4J2-952) FAQ: How do I configure
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Bart S. updated LOG4J2-952:
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(was: You have an issue with actually thinking about something. Or really t=
hinking it through. I guess that is pretty common in open source and it is =
the reason why most open source is so bad.

You want me to adjust to your style of thinking, terse and to the point and=
 quick and start coding right away and if there are no more complaints, com=
mit it and go on with it.

If I hadn't written down these thoughts, I could not have thought them, and=
 if I did not think them, I would not be now at the point that I want to wr=
ite an example or alternative test solution or case myself. You seem to thi=
nk that life proceeds when you constantly try to hinder it, but that doesn'=
t work for me. I experience constantly, much less here, that my contributio=
ns are not welcome because they are too verbose for the people that want to=
 get on with doing what they have been doing for centuries, often without a=
ny reflection on their part or understanding of what they're really doing.

There is a great hate in open source against actual thinking. People do not=
 like to think. They only like to act. To perform. To put in effort with th=
eir hands. But the effort with their minds is discontinued, cut short. Most=
 open source architecture is of really poor design. Most teams spend very l=
ittle time thinking. They want short directions. Tell me what to do?. Pleas=
e, don't make me have to think about it. Just tell me what to do, and I wil=
l do it!. Gary is one of those people that likes to be told what to do, but=
 at the same time he enjoys thought as well. I really like Gary around here=
 and he's funny, has a good humour, is always positive and sees the bright =
side of things. But you are constantly telling me that you don't have time.

Or you just don't want another influence on the team, but that might also j=
ust be the reason..... Now you're even threatening me with exercising your =
superior powers. To get it the way you want. We call that "power corrupts".=
 You abuse your position to cut short a contribution that might threaten yo=
ur position. You did it to that Behrooz guy as well. There's really little =
wonder that we haven't heard from him again. You create your own solution w=
ith your superior knowledge (accept it, you are much better versed in your =
software than everyone else) and you can create a solution to this problem =
that is acceptable to many at the surface and you can ensure that it gets t=
hrough and the others don't, more or less. What's the point for him to cont=
inue his work if you do not engage in debate but simply push your own solut=
ion as a competitor?. You tell him his solution might be preferable but you=
're now already talking of committing the thing you have written. I take it=
 to mean you are committing to master, or whatever. There was not a chance =
for that poor guy to get his work done. I don't mind it so much, I can stil=
l work with you, but you didn't throw my work to the bathwater, so to speak=
.

Of course he is suspect and not very eager to continue the work if the chan=
ce is very high that you will simply commit yours and there won't be a real=
 interest from your side of the story for anything else. You have just pres=
ented your solution and that's that.

But you're also the one with commit rights and the one who can get it done =
in no time. So little chance for anyone else, while it was really other peo=
ple's ideas that started this and you've just taken it from there.

I don't really know why you're doing it like this, but I guess that is not =
my problem or my thing to know about.

I just know that you're not helping here and your comments about short thin=
king are not sincere. It's more about your position (or anyone else's) than=
 anything else. It's pretty blatantly obvious that what I've written cannot=
 be summarized in 10 lines unless I throw almost everything out, and the ch=
ances of then any of it making it through to anything worthwhile, diminish =
greatly, and that is of course what you want from me. ?.

You will also not know the rationale, and why such a thing should be done. =
You've consumed my rationale in the past and done your thing with it, while=
 at the same time trying to discount it all the same. It is pretty clear th=
at without my input and those of others perhaps, this topic would not have =
started and you would not even have gotten the idea to implement this thing=
.

I've been a huge contribution or at least a driver to the interest in getti=
ng this done in the first place and so has Behrooz of course, in that sligh=
t way of introducing a competitor or alternative. And even though that's tr=
ue, you seek to curtail my efforts to get something better done than this. =
You want to talk about the details; the larger plan is already set for you.=
 You don't even know if anyone is waiting for this. It doesn't really coinc=
ide with the interests of those who started this. You think your solution s=
hould qualify for them, but.....

But your solution does (I believe) change ConfigurationFactory and that mea=
ns it gets deeply embedded in the system, there is also not any room for an=
 alternative that I vied for. You just don't think and just do what you wan=
t. Maybe that's your right, but it's also my right to want to change your m=
ind about it ;-).

But it's pretty damn clear that you're only saying these things because you=
 don't want any form of competition. It's not that it's too long, it's more=
 that it doesn't suit you. If you can curtail my messages to be 10 lines lo=
ng, I'd be no more any threat. I'd just be a bystander with no influence an=
d you can just go along your way. Happy cruisin.

My contribution is just not welcome, well, then say so, instead of being so=
 insincere about it. You don't have a problem with the length, you have a p=
roblem with the content. And the content is not welcome. People usually giv=
e insincere reasons for not wanting something, when they just want to be ri=
d of it. They will tell you you're not polite enough. But they really don't=
 want to hear your truth. The truth can be inconvenient, as mr. Gore put it=
. It's pretty clear that I can not say the same stuff in 10 lines, so my me=
ssage becomes completely ineffective and doesn't relay the same ideas. And =
that's just a way to eliminate someone. And you know that full well. And I =
cannot work in this environment if my contributions are not welcomed, certa=
inly not for the reasons you give me, because if I supply patches they are =
also not considered and accepted. So the thought that you wanted me to do w=
ork, or actually contribute code, is also not sincere. That's not it. You j=
ust want me out of the way really, at least partly, modestly. How can that =
not be true?.

There is a Jira here [LOG42-1093|https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4=
J2-1093] that I contributed 15 days ago with a patch open for feedback. No =
one even gave feedback except for Gary, slightly, by the side. As to why we=
're uncertain as to how to proceed. And I can understand that. But still ge=
tting no replies is not sincere.

So you were exposed there, so to speak. (In Dutch we say "fall through the =
basket"). It's not about contributing code and it's not about being concise=
, it's just about you not really welcoming my work. Well, that can be true.=
 Then say so, if it is. Then we can work with that or I can leave in whatev=
er way you deem suitable.

I don't want to supersede you or sidestep you, this is your project and I o=
nly want to help if it's welcome. What use is there doing anything if it's =
going to be rejected anyway?.

So I mean, take your call, make your bet. Tell me what you want. But don't =
give me that crap about changing my style of thinking or my style of writin=
g. I will not do that for anyone and I cannot do it in any case without sev=
erely sacrificing my joy and pleasure in doing it in the first place. And y=
ou don't want that either, because an unhappy person won't be around for lo=
ng anyway. So then what you got? Is that what you want?..... You can only m=
ake people leave this way, but apparently that was your indication in the f=
irst place?????.

Well, then be more upright about it. We will all benefit in that way.

Regards, and signing out again. Bart.

)

> FAQ: How do I configure log4j2 programmatically in code without a configu=
ration file?
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------------
>
>                 Key: LOG4J2-952
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-952
>             Project: Log4j 2
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: API, Configurators, Documentation
>    Affects Versions: 2.1
>            Reporter: Joe Merten
>         Attachments: LOG4J2-952-2.patch, LOG4J2-952-3.patch, LOG4J2-952-4=
.patch, LOG4J2-952.patch
>
>
> I found [this link|http://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/faq.html#config_fr=
om_code] which said:
> {quote}
> You could use the static method #initialize(String contextName, ClassLoad=
er loader, String configLocation) in org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.C=
onfigurator. (You can pass null for the class loader.) Be aware that this c=
lass is not part of the public API so your code may break with any minor re=
lease.
> {quote}
> This documentation is unclear because it points to a member function whic=
h needs a filename {{configLocation}} where as the topic is =C2=BBwithout a=
 configuration file=C2=AB.
> It shoud rather point to the member function {{org.apache.logging.log4j.c=
ore.config.Configurator.initialize(ClassLoader loader, ConfigurationSource =
source)}}.
> Example:
> {code:java}
> import org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.ConfigurationSource;
> import org.apache.logging.log4j.core.config.Configurator;
> final String hardCodedXmlConfig =3D
>         "<?xml version=3D'1.0' encoding=3D'UTF-8'?>\n" +
>         "<Configuration status=3D'INFO'>\n" +
>         "  <Appenders>\n" +
>         "    <Console name=3D'Console' target=3D'SYSTEM_OUT'>\n" +
>         "      <PatternLayout pattern=3D'%d{HH:mm:ss.SSS} [%t] %-5level %=
logger{36} - %msg%n'/>\n" +
>         "    </Console>\n" +
>         "  </Appenders>\n" +
>         "  <Loggers>\n" +
>         "    <Root level=3D'debug'>\n" +
>         "      <AppenderRef ref=3D'Console'/>\n" +
>         "    </Root>\n" +
>         "  </Loggers>\n" +
>         "</Configuration>\n";
> try {
>     Configurator.initialize(null, new ConfigurationSource(new ByteArrayIn=
putStream(hardCodedXmlConfig.getBytes())));
> } catch (IOException e) {
>     e.printStackTrace();
> }
> {code}


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