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From Curt Arnold <carn...@apache.org>
Subject Re: svn commit: r943816 [1/9] - in /logging/log4j/branches/BRANCH_2_0_EXPERIMENTAL/rgoers: ./ log4j12-api/ log4j12-api/src/ log4j12-api/src/main/ log4j12-api/src/main/java/ log4j12-api/src/main/java/org/ log4j12-api/src/main/java/org/apache/ log4j12-
Date Tue, 18 May 2010 02:06:26 GMT

On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> I haven't dug into it, but I think the submission may require IP clearance through
the incubator (http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html).  The sentence would appear
to apply:
>>> Any code that was developed outside of the ASF SVN repository and our public
mailing lists must be processed like this, even if the external developer is already an ASF
> And the paragraph above that says "From time to time, an external codebase is brought
into the ASF that is not a separate incubating project but still represents a substantial
contribution that was not developed within the ASF's source control system and on our public
mailing lists."
> All code developed at the ASF is developed off-list and then committed so by the logic
of using only the message you quoted almost all code would have to go through the incubator
unless the code was sent to the mailing list first. Obviously, that makes no sense. Taking
that one sentence by itself would imply that when a new Appender is written and committed
to Jira that it would need to go through the incubator as well. 
> I've looked at the template. It is appears to be for code that "lived" outside of the
ASF for some time, either as a separate project or was somehow visible to other people before
being contributed.  The code in question is not an "external codebase" because it was developed
solely for the purpose of being committed to Log4j for experimentation and discussion.  Whether
it makes it into something that is ever released is for the community to determine.
> Ralph

My take is that there is a poorly defined threshold of off-list-ness at which IP clearance
is warranted like there is a threshold at which an ICLA is warranted.  An ICLA is always desirable
but there is a threshold which the implied grant in the ASL lets you sleep at night.  Can
bounce it off incubator@ to get a clarification of when it comes into play, but I don't think
it is clear that it does not need one.

Is there a revision history in a personal SVN, Git, etc?  If so, could you dump it and attach
it to a bug report?

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