Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-log4j-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 37738 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 22:11:46 -0000 Received: from exchange.sun.com (192.18.33.10) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 22:11:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 4232 invoked by uid 97); 21 Jul 2003 22:14:23 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-log4j-dev@nagoya.betaversion.org Received: (qmail 4225 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 22:14:22 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by nagoya.betaversion.org with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 22:14:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 35448 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2003 22:11:24 -0000 Mailing-List: contact log4j-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Log4J Developers List" Reply-To: "Log4J Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list log4j-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 35337 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2003 22:11:23 -0000 Received: from smtp5.wanadoo.fr (HELO mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.22.27) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Jul 2003 22:11:23 -0000 Received: from lucas (ASt-Lambert-101-1-5-216.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.253.33.216]) by mwinf0401.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id A05025800115 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:11:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:11:41 +0200 From: Lucas Bruand To: "Log4J Developers List" Subject: Re: Announcement: Just4log, a performance-oriented postprocessor for Log4j Message-Id: <20030722001141.00006592.lbruand@wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030721153740.02422440@mail.qos.ch> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030718234102.02500790@mail.qos.ch> <20030717225031.00002793.lbruand@wanadoo.fr> <5.2.0.9.0.20030718234102.02500790@mail.qos.ch> <5.2.0.9.0.20030721153740.02422440@mail.qos.ch> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.9claws (GTK+ 1.3.0; Win32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 15:52:33 +0200 Ceki G=FClc=FC wrote: >=20 > At 07:48 PM 7/20/2003 +0200, Lucas Bruand wrote: > >At the very least, it is a heavy argument against people who think that= =20 > >Logging is a "retro" method to debug and claim that logging is hindering= =20 > >performance in Java... ( Probably preaching on this list is not very=20 > >useful but you'll be surprised how often you hear this kind of thin) >=20 > Logging maybe retro but its survives the life span of the application.=20 > Application logging is analogous to fossils. Fossils are certainly retro= =20 > but it is the only way to learn about life forms long gone. I completely agree with you... Some people think that given a debugger and = the description of the problem, one should be able to reconstitute the whol= e process. Obviously this is true only in theory but it is somehow trendy f= or some decision makers... Still, there is nothing like a well written logfile to debug a program... >=20 > -- > Ceki For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual" > ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org