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From Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
Subject Re: log4cx: attic or incubation?
Date Sat, 04 May 2013 19:23:04 GMT
I actually have enough of a C++ background that I could oversee incoming patches. My problem
is that I have been consumed with Log4j.  However, if it is only a few patches I could probably
find the time.  At the same time, I would not be wanting to be the one to do the releases.

Ralph

On May 4, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The attic step seems like potentially unnecessary work.
>> 
>> If the project is being used but not developed actively, that's fine. It is
>> still an asset.
>> 
>> I thought Apache already had a process by which a project can be mirrored
>> with Git?
>> 
>> You can then process pull requests as you would with any Git repo.
>> 
>> It might be that the project as is is doing it's job in a manner that
>> satisfies its users, without further tweaking ;)
> 
> Definitely an interesting idea. Just want to mention, it was the Board
> which has asked me.
> So far I can't judge on the incoming patches; I have no clue on c++
> nor do I plan to build up the skills.
> I thought this would maybe not be enough to make changes in an ASF
> repository. I have applied a few
> patches recently but it made me a bit uncomfortable.
> 
> In addition, we wouldn't have an PMC member which actually would
> oversee the incoming patches. And who is actually supposed to vote on
> it?
> 
> That said it is unlikely that we can make up a community again.
> 
> As I understood it, this is when the attic comes into play. Unused
> repositories which do not get any maintenance. They are still readable
> though and can be used.
> 
> Anyway, creating a GIt mirror for log4cxx sounds reasonable despite
> all concerns. It is a small, first step. We can then see what happens.
> Maybe when I find some time I will have a chat with the attic people.
> Actually I am also a bit afraid before the extra work without real
> benefit.
> 
> Thanks!
> Christian
> 
> 
> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Rhys Ulerich <rhys.ulerich@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Most of them
>>>> said they might apply a couple of patches here and there, but nobody
>>>> burst out in emotions saying, YAY, this is it.
>>> 
>>> The library is, more or less, stable and feature complete.  There's
>>> not much shepherding to be done in terms of driving the functionality
>>> in some particular direction.  That is, unless there's some burning
>>> feature set that folks need that hasn't been discussed on the log4cxx
>>> mailing list in the years that I have been lurking.  The problem seems
>>> to be that the overhead of contributing small fixes is off-puttingly
>>> high.  It's hard to elicit a YAY from anyone under these
>>> circumstances.
>>> 
>>>> For now I would like to propose that I am cloning log4cxx to my GitHub
>>>> account and move the svn repos to the attic. That way I can overlook
>>>> if there is a team growing around log4cxx or not. Also I can ask for
>>>> ICLAs before accepting pull requests, which should help when we go
>>>> back to incubation. If there is, we can go back to incubation at any
>>>> time. If there is not, then well, no harm done.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments?
>>> 
>>> I like this approach.
>>> 
>>> I would ask that, before you do this, you please make one last 10.2
>>> release off the Apache-blessed sources.  Trunk differs in slight but
>>> important ways from 10.1 (e.g., it builds).  This way the distro
>>> package managers can at least get one last blessed version into their
>>> pipelines before the log4cxx community goes off and experiments with a
>>> reboot.
>>> 
>>> - Rhys
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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