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From Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
Subject Re: log4cx: attic or incubation?
Date Sat, 04 May 2013 19:39:07 GMT
Well, I just downloaded the source. It seems my first challenge is going to be getting it to
compile on my Mac.  I suppose I could fire up my Linux box or install an Ubuntu VM but I should
be able to find the dependencies.


On May 4, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:

> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> I actually have enough of a C++ background that I could oversee incoming patches.
My problem is that I have been consumed with Log4j.  However, if it is only a few patches
I could probably find the time.  At the same time, I would not be wanting to be the one to
do the releases.
> If you could look at the patches a bit (i can take care on the typos
> and non-c++ related things) I might find out how to do a release.
> So far only a few patches came in.
> In this case we really might try to create a asf git mirror as Gary
> suggested and I can start with creating a rc (somehow)
> If we get that far, it might give others a push
>> Ralph
>> On May 4, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgregory@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The attic step seems like potentially unnecessary work.
>>>> If the project is being used but not developed actively, that's fine. It
>>>> still an asset.
>>>> I thought Apache already had a process by which a project can be mirrored
>>>> with Git?
>>>> You can then process pull requests as you would with any Git repo.
>>>> It might be that the project as is is doing it's job in a manner that
>>>> satisfies its users, without further tweaking ;)
>>> Definitely an interesting idea. Just want to mention, it was the Board
>>> which has asked me.
>>> So far I can't judge on the incoming patches; I have no clue on c++
>>> nor do I plan to build up the skills.
>>> I thought this would maybe not be enough to make changes in an ASF
>>> repository. I have applied a few
>>> patches recently but it made me a bit uncomfortable.
>>> In addition, we wouldn't have an PMC member which actually would
>>> oversee the incoming patches. And who is actually supposed to vote on
>>> it?
>>> That said it is unlikely that we can make up a community again.
>>> As I understood it, this is when the attic comes into play. Unused
>>> repositories which do not get any maintenance. They are still readable
>>> though and can be used.
>>> Anyway, creating a GIt mirror for log4cxx sounds reasonable despite
>>> all concerns. It is a small, first step. We can then see what happens.
>>> Maybe when I find some time I will have a chat with the attic people.
>>> Actually I am also a bit afraid before the extra work without real
>>> benefit.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Christian
>>>> Gary
>>>> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Rhys Ulerich <rhys.ulerich@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Most of them
>>>>>> said they might apply a couple of patches here and there, but nobody
>>>>>> burst out in emotions saying, YAY, this is it.
>>>>> The library is, more or less, stable and feature complete.  There's
>>>>> not much shepherding to be done in terms of driving the functionality
>>>>> in some particular direction.  That is, unless there's some burning
>>>>> feature set that folks need that hasn't been discussed on the log4cxx
>>>>> mailing list in the years that I have been lurking.  The problem seems
>>>>> to be that the overhead of contributing small fixes is off-puttingly
>>>>> high.  It's hard to elicit a YAY from anyone under these
>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>>> For now I would like to propose that I am cloning log4cxx to my GitHub
>>>>>> account and move the svn repos to the attic. That way I can overlook
>>>>>> if there is a team growing around log4cxx or not. Also I can ask
>>>>>> ICLAs before accepting pull requests, which should help when we go
>>>>>> back to incubation. If there is, we can go back to incubation at
>>>>>> time. If there is not, then well, no harm done.
>>>>>> Comments?
>>>>> I like this approach.
>>>>> I would ask that, before you do this, you please make one last 10.2
>>>>> release off the Apache-blessed sources.  Trunk differs in slight but
>>>>> important ways from 10.1 (e.g., it builds).  This way the distro
>>>>> package managers can at least get one last blessed version into their
>>>>> pipelines before the log4cxx community goes off and experiments with
>>>>> reboot.
>>>>> - Rhys
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