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From Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
Subject Re: Logging Site
Date Thu, 05 Jul 2012 06:42:01 GMT
Any update on this?  Can we replace logging.apache.org with what is at loggingtest.apache.org?

Ralph

On Jun 22, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Scott Deboy wrote:

> I'll wait for a bit more feedback and then follow-up on the infra dev mailing list. 
They would like to see an actionable plan and have it approved there, at which point I'll
update the Jira issue with the actionable steps.
> 
> I'm on vacation this coming week, but I'll check in when I can.
> 
> Thanks for helping out with this, Christian, it's great to see Chainsaw maybe move along
as well.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've posted a question to the infra-dev mailing list on the best location
> > for the jnlp file and jars (the only infra requirement is a mime type
> > mapping for jnlp files), we'll see what response we get.
> >
> > The other half of the issue is for new releases of Chainsaw, we need a new
> > code signing cert, preferably provided and managed by infra.
> >
> > I filed (INFRA-3991) Request for code signing certificate about nine months
> > ago, with no feedback.  Today, Sam Ruby responded that we need to provide an
> > actionable plan for how the code signing could take place.
> >
> > After discussing with Tony on #asfinfra, infra would like to build binaries
> > themselves and sign them, after being given a path and svn revision and
> > proof of the vote.
> >
> > I also suggested we provide them with hashes so they can verify that what we
> > reviewed matches what they are signing.
> >
> > Infra would be responsible for retrieving the code from subversion and
> > building and signing the artifacts using code signing keys that they managed
> > securely.
> >
> > How they manage their keys belongs under infra's domain, but we need to
> > provide an actionable process that they could adopt otherwise.
> >
> > Does what I describe above sound ok? Any suggestions, comments or changes to
> > the above-described process?
> >
> 
> Sounds great and fantastic Job. Thank you Scott for dealing that out.
> 
> Basically what I read from above is:
> 
> - we open a Jira issue with a link to a logging wiki page what needs
> to be done (instructions how to build and probably some notes how to
> sign), the svn repository tag and a reference to the vote.
> 
> - we also let them know the hashes of the artifacts we voted on to
> confirm we speak of the same
> 
> - infra builds the code, signs it and uploads it to a location which
> is to be named
> 
> - Once uploaded, Chainsaw users get a nice suprise :-)
> 
> So, the last thing we need to do is to create instructions how to
> build? Lets do it! I really thought it would be more difficult.
> 
> Cheers
> Christian
> 
> > Thanks
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I actually used to track this from the downloads and JNLP was used quite
> >> > extensively, haven't checked in a while, but I bet if we deployed the
> >> > latest
> >> > developer snapshot that would be the most frequently used path.  We
> >> > pinged
> >> > infra a while back on this but didn't get back a good response (Paul had
> >> > to
> >> > sign the jars himself, and somehow JNLP was served correctly from where
> >> > it
> >> > is now).
> >> >
> >> > I'll ping #infra on freenode, but I really don't want to drop JNLP
> >> > support.
> >>
> >> OK understood. If infra is fine with that, I am too and we can publish
> >> the jnlp via the CMS.
> >> Just the dmg/zip file - shouldn't we put these on the mirroring system?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Scott
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Ivan Habunek <ivan.habunek@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll take care of log4php next week. On holidays this week.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Ivan
> >> >>
> >> >> On 22 June 2012 17:05, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Ralph Goers <rgoers@apache.org>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> So where does this leave us in moving the site over?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think we could simply commit the chainsaw binary into the cms
> >> >> > folders.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > But actually I believe infra will eat us if they ever find out
we
> >> >> > distribute binaries from the CMS folder. Therefore I would say
we
> >> >> > make
> >> >> > up a regular download page and reference to the dmg and the zip
only
> >> >> > (dropping the jnlp) and use the mirroring system.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Scott, its your domain- what do you say to that?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheers
> >> >> > Christian
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ralph
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I believe we bypass the mirror system because the mirror system
> >> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> >> support the jnlp protocol (handling the mime type)..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Scott
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Scott Deboy
> >> >> >> <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> An icon is usually added to the user's start menu and/or
desktop,
> >> >> >>> which
> >> >> >>> launches javaws and uses the jnlp protocol, so they don't
need to
> >> >> >>> go
> >> >> >>> back to
> >> >> >>> the link to get the benefit of autoupdates.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> >> >> >>> <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Scott Deboy
> >> >> >>>> <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> > The benefit of webstart is updates are automatically
downloaded
> >> >> >>>> > and
> >> >> >>>> > installed.  The link actually tries to check
jars each time you
> >> >> >>>> > start
> >> >> >>>> > the
> >> >> >>>> > app and will update automatically if there are
new ones.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> yes understood.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Does the user (i am a webstart noob) always need to
click on our
> >> >> >>>> webpage to start the app?
> >> >> >>>> And, do we actually bypass the mirror system here
or am I wrong
> >> >> >>>> with
> >> >> >>>> my assumption? Not sure if that is really relevant
because I don't
> >> >> >>>> know about the user base
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Cheers
> >> >> >>>> Christian
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> > Scott
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> >> >> >>>> > <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>> > wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Scott Deboy
> >> >> >>>> >> <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> > I think the gotcha there had something
to do with making sure
> >> >> >>>> >> > the
> >> >> >>>> >> > jnlp
> >> >> >>>> >> > file mapping was correctly supported.
It has been about eight
> >> >> >>>> >> > years,
> >> >> >>>> >> > but
> >> >> >>>> >> > that is my recollection.
> >> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >> >>>> >> > That and the stupid maven template support
would not allow us
> >> >> >>>> >> > to
> >> >> >>>> >> > use
> >> >> >>>> >> > an
> >> >> >>>> >> > image as the link (a 'launch' webstart
graphical button as
> >> >> >>>> >> > the
> >> >> >>>> >> > link)
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> Is there something speaking against downloading
an exe/dmg/zip
> >> >> >>>> >> via
> >> >> >>>> >> the
> >> >> >>>> >> usual download system?
> >> >> >>>> >> Or is webstart the killer feature for chainsaw?
:-)
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> Cheers
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >> >>>> >> > Scott
> >> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >> >>>> >> > On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Christian
Grobmeier
> >> >> >>>> >> > <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>>> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> >
> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:07 AM,
Ralph Goers
> >> >> >>>> >> >> <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> I believe all the hard work
on the logging site is
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> completed
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> however
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> some of the sub projects are
yet to be published.  I would
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> like to
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> have
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> infra convert loggingtest.apache.org
to logging.apache.org
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> but
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> I
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> don't want
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> to get 404s on those sub projects.
> >> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> I looked at chainsaw and the
download page will certainly
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> break if
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> I
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> were to just copy the content.
 I'm not sure about the
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> others.
> >> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> Any ideas?
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> Just added log4cxx to loggingtest.a.o.
Its using the
> >> >> >>>> >> >> download
> >> >> >>>> >> >> script
> >> >> >>>> >> >> which generates a list of mirrors
so no problem here. In
> >> >> >>>> >> >> addition I
> >> >> >>>> >> >> completed the branding requirements
for log4cxx so we can
> >> >> >>>> >> >> leave
> >> >> >>>> >> >> that
> >> >> >>>> >> >> untouched for a while now.
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> I am not sure on the chainsaw one.
It seems to bypass the
> >> >> >>>> >> >> mirroring
> >> >> >>>> >> >> system which is kind a bad. Instead
we should change the
> >> >> >>>> >> >> site
> >> >> >>>> >> >> to
> >> >> >>>> >> >> use
> >> >> >>>> >> >> the download script imho. Maybe
Scott can comment here.
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> That being said, the chainsaw site
needs an appropriate
> >> >> >>>> >> >> footer.
> >> >> >>>> >> >> Basically the maven.vm template
could be used in chainsaw
> >> >> >>>> >> >> too.
> >> >> >>>> >> >> So
> >> >> >>>> >> >> we
> >> >> >>>> >> >> have 2 tasks here, update to branding
and use the mirror
> >> >> >>>> >> >> system.
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> cheers
> >> >> >>>> >> >> Christian
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>> >> >>> Ralph
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> >> --
> >> >> >>>> >> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >> >> >>>> >> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >>
> >> >> >>>> >> --
> >> >> >>>> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >> >> >>>> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>> >
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> --
> >> >> >>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >> >> >>>> https://www.timeandbill.de
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > http://www.grobmeier.de
> >> >> > https://www.timeandbill.de
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
> >
> >
> 
> 
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